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Originally Posted by steve long
I think a flatter swing would look a tiny bit more inside, both before and after the ball, but you probably couldn't see it, because the difference would be small at the beginning of the backswing. If you can see or feel the club going more inside, that is really far inside and could give you a big hook if you came back down on that line. But you could still be flat or upright with it too. It is a separate problem. I think the flatness or uprightness of the club's plane has to be considered separately from the clubhead going inside out or outside in. They are both important.
Perhaps there is a connection between them though, that caused you to link them. If you do go flat, there may be a tendency to come down inside, as the easiest way back to the ball.
With the flat swing, where the arms and club are lower at the top, the arms and club would tend by momentum to go through the hitting zone somewhat high, (or drop down inside as mentioned above) requiring tricky work to keep them down, so as to make solid contact. The opposite would happen with an upright swing. Having been too high at the top, the upright arms and club would tend to come through too low at the bottom, which if allowed to happen would cause a fatish toeish contact with the ball. The easy way out of this bad swing might be the outside in swing.
A simple look at the plane's of the arms and club at impact shows the club's plane to be a little flatter than the arm's plane, at impact anyway. I don't how this difference in planes works during the swing. The system is too complicated to deduce logically, at least for me. And I don't really care how it works if I can find a way to get the best effects. So I'm just looking for a method to obtain the best inclination, letting the complexities have their own secret existance. It would be nice at the same time to get the direction of the arc correct, so it's not too inside out or outside in.
Hbendillo, do you have a way to find the right line (arc actually) on the backswing, so as not to be inside or outside on the way back?
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I think you have to look at someone's setup at the address position from a down the line view to determine what is too inside for a given swing. The shaft and spine angle at address will vary a bit from golfer to golfer. If you are talking about a classic swing and not one that has some crazy loop in it then I think you can tell by where the clubhead goes when taking it back. If you draw a plane line on the shaft I don't think you generally want to see the club head get inside or below that line, especially early in the backswing. Taking it inside that line an appreciable amount is too flat for that setup. Someone on one of the boards I visit, maybe it was this one, explained the over the top move using the shaft plane line as a reference. You bring the club too far inside that line and in an effort to get the club back to the ball you throw the club over that top of that line on the downwing. I mean I kind knew that but visualizing the club shaft coming over that plane line gave me a new visual perspective on what is going on.
I try to find the right arc buy doing a few slow motion practice swings actually looking back to see how the shaft of the club goes back. I have begun to recognize when my swing is getting too flat so I rehearse the backswing slowly then take the swing. Usually I get immediate feedback if I do it right after struggling with my swing. When I find I am chunking the ball and then get it right I hit a crisp shot. I realized, and maybe someone could verify this for me, that I had to hold the club off a bit with my right arm, not let that right elbow fold back and get behind me too far.