Thank you guys all great advice!! I will work on the knee movements and see if that helps. I think i should invent some training tool where you strap your spine in and teaches you to turn without bending your spine. This is a more tedious problem for me than i conveyed i do shoot around par consistently (well on municipil courses) but this problem keeps me blocking shots sometimes like bob suggested. I have been doing this for 15 years it maybe harder than just knee movement but i will try !! I figured out what happens today as i was thinking about it. the frustration for me comes because if you curl your spine in or have dominant abb strength you cannot rotate without finishing in a c position....not a reverce c.....if you were to take a wire and bend it when you twist it the top moves dramatically....but if it is in a straight line the top stays stationary......I am good enough player not to let club go over top so i just stop rotating...!! ahh