I really need to understand this and I need it simple. I want to buy new irons, but as I have mentioned in other thread, I need them to be +2* lie angle. I understand that there are irons that are not easily bent nor is it suggested. I have also heard that if you buy standard irons and have their lie angle changed, they can and often do work their way back to their original position. Is this true? Do the major golf club makers actually cast their club heads at different lie angles or do they bend them to order? If they bend them to order, do they do that while they are still hot or something that stops them from reverting back to a neutral lie angle? I just don’t understand this stuff, but I will not be happy if I have to have my lie angle readjusted every year. Help me understand this if you can.
I'm not sure about the techicalities of how a clubmaker sets loft/lie. But, I do know that you should have the 'lie' checked probably once a year due to the constant impact with the ground. That impact will change the the 'lie' over time.
Kevkaos,
Most manufacturers do put their specs within EITHER-2 to +2 degrees of the average So if an average wedge calls for 64 degrees lie then the head better be 62-66 degrees. Now for your +2 that you are called for I would go with 66 degrees. best thing to do is when you get the new set, go to a mat, get warm, now place simple masking tape on the bottom of the club and make a swing brushing the mat as if you are hitting a golf ball. Turn club over and if the mark on the tape is to 1 side or other of center then you need to have the club bent . And yes clubs do tend to bend after a while of use. Most Tour players are having theirs checked every other tournament if not every tourney. They change a lot in the wedge-7 iron range. This happens more with these due to a more striking down blow(divot) then with say a 3/4 iron which is more sweeping. Now I would have to say other than irons you find at BIG 5 Sporting goods, 98% can be bent 2 degrees up or down. BIG 5 buys clubs that are made of "pot metal" which cant be bent nor welded. All OEM s can be bent and everything I have found on Golfsmith, and Golfworks can be bent.
BIG 5 buys clubs that are made of "pot metal" which cant be bent nor welded. All OEM s can be bent and everything I have found on Golfsmith, and Golfworks can be bent.
OK, I am looking at some end of stock TaylorMade HT's which I love. They are on sale for a very good price at Dicks. Being that they are TaylorMade clubs, would you think that they are the same as the TaylorMade HT's at a pro shop, or do the big club maker build clubs to a lesser spec for the retail stores? I ask because I have always loved the HT's but couldn't really afford them. The closeout price is so good that I could have the grips "blown off" and saved, have the 1/2" shaft extentions added on and the grips re-applied and still be well under the cost of the newer TaylorMade iron models. While I am on this line of questions, do you think that adding a 1/2" extention onto a shaft will have any negative effect on the club?
Last edited by Kevkaos : January 26th, 2006 at 02:29 PM.
You are cool with buying those from Dick's. If they say they are the TM's then they are. Golf companies do not make 2 different quality OEM clubs for what we are talking about. As far as the 1/2" effect, only negative effect would be if you really did not need that extra length and you were not hitting the ball flush. A person hitting a standard club flush will hit the ball farther than a person swinging 5-10mph faster(extra 1/2") off center. Like hitting a baseball, hit it near your hands or off the tip it goes no where, you hit it in the barrel, holy toledo look out like butter.
You are cool with buying those from Dick's. If they say they are the TM's then they are. Golf companies do not make 2 different quality OEM clubs for what we are talking about. As far as the 1/2" effect, only negative effect would be if you really did not need that extra length and you were not hitting the ball flush. A person hitting a standard club flush will hit the ball farther than a person swinging 5-10mph faster(extra 1/2") off center. Like hitting a baseball, hit it near your hands or off the tip it goes no where, you hit it in the barrel, holy toledo look out like butter.
I have had three measurements done, all three while hitting off a strike plate. They all said the same thing, +1/2" and 2* upright. Seems that I am tall 6' but my arms are a tad short for my body. The measures were by reps from Ping, Nike and Cleveland. Still not sure what I am going to do, but I do appreciate all the fantastic information because it helps me to understand my options. They funny thing is that I keep learning tons of things about golf but I can only put about 10% of what I learn into practice.
Most OEM products that need a different lie, places won't usually bend them but rather order them from the manf. for you. I know because I'm 6'7" and need some crazy adjustments to my clubs, however rather than getting an iron set special ordered I just got kevin to get all of my clubs bent and I got the irons plus wedges for the same price
Buying OEM off the rack is like buying shoes. They is a very nice assortment but they are all the same size. Component is the way to go. Go to a small custom shop that offer quality brand name components, you won't be sorry. Spread the word
January 25th, 2006, 03:10 PM
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