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Old March 24th, 2007, 02:09 PM
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Shaft Frequency-Same for each club

There is a company out there that recommends the same frequency for every club.
They have some big names on their list that they say uses this system.
Has anyone tried this or know someone who has?
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Old March 24th, 2007, 03:53 PM
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A question like this was asked of Frank Thomas (golf guru and inventor of the graphite shaft). He said that a good quality shaft does not need "puring" or "spining". He said that may have been necessary in years past, but not today.

I hope this answers your questions.
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Old March 27th, 2007, 08:39 PM
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There is a company out there that recommends the same frequency for every club.
They have some big names on their list that they say uses this system.
Has anyone tried this or know someone who has?
Thanks,
Clubcrafter
I believe in personalized fitting. I have fitted players of slower swing speeds in this manner and it delivers more feel and more height to their golf shots. Seniors and women and even a junior. I have tried it myself and it wasn't horrible, but I prefer the stiffer, more controlled short irons. My ss is pretty high and so I think for guys with moderate swingspeeds or slower, there shouldn't be any real issues. Its just that when you are used to something, it is unconfortable to play it another way. Guys that swing harder generally do not need more flex in their short irons. They have no problem generating spin and gaining height. I believe that having a uniflex can be very useful, just not for everyone.
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 01:36 PM
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A question like this was asked of Frank Thomas (golf guru and inventor of the graphite shaft). He said that a good quality shaft does not need "puring" or "spining". He said that may have been necessary in years past, but not today.

I hope this answers your questions.
Puring or spine alignment of a shaft has nothing to do with frequency meter testing of the shafts. And it is my experience and that of a lot of oters that what Frank Thomas thinks about spine alignmet not being needed with todays shafts. is a bunch of nonsense. In fact, I just talked to someone at Golfsmith, and they can prove it with the robot swing machine they use to test clubs. Ball impact is almost perfectly consistant with a SST Pured shaft installed in a club. With a non Pured shaft, the impact of ball can vary as much as a half inch in each direction off of center. That's enough to cause you to miss the fairway off the tee, or miss the green on your approach shots. If Mr Thomas doesn't think that's relevent to playing good golf, he needs to open his eyes and wise up.
As for spine alignment using a spine finder, rather than using the SST Puring process, I just pulled the shaft from two of my drivers. One has the Aldila NVS shaft, the other a ProLaunch blue shaft. After I did a spine alignment on the shaft and re-installed the shafts. I noticed a difference in the clubs on the first swing. The shafts had a totally different feel to them, and I was hitting the ball higher and straighter after the spine alignment. Quite honestly, I've read more than a few things by Mr Thomas that was incorrect. My personnal opinion of Frank Thomas is he has his head in the sand.
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Old April 5th, 2007, 07:23 PM
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In your spining (as when GS marks the spine on a shaft)... Where do you align it..?

EX: align Driver face square to target (and set the mark at 12 oclock) for Woods (for right-handed players)?? Or what do you do?
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Old April 6th, 2007, 01:47 PM
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It depends on what I want to do with the shaft. If I have a R flex shaft say, and I want it to play as stiff as possible, I align the spine at 9 o'clock. If I want the same shaft to play as soft as possible, I align the spine at 12 o'clock. I've read that some club makers align the spine at 12 o'clock, which aligns the NP at 9 o'clock with all the clubs they build. That's fine in my opinion if the shaft is stiff enough or a little too stiff. I might do that if I have a S flex shaff and I want a flex that will be between a R and S flex, but not if I want a R flex to play more like a S flex. Some club makers align the spine toward the target all the time, so there seems to be two opinions as to how it should be done. What I have never seen is a recommandation to align the spine at any point other than 9 or 12 o'clock. One or the other, nothing in between.
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Old April 6th, 2007, 01:59 PM
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I just re-read your question about when GS marks the spine on the shaft. When I have a shaft SST pured, I align the arrow at 12 oclock, which is how it is supposed to be installed. Please do not confuse this with spine alignment. The reason is this. I've had shafts SST Pured, and then I've tried to figure out exactly how SST came up the where they put that arrow for alignment. And I can't figure it out. I've tested shafts with my spine finder and I don't get the same position *** SST does. My understanding is that SST wants the spine to be pointing at the target. When I test a SST pured shaft, I don't come up the the arrow needing to be a 12 o'clock. This might be due to the fact that SST claims that the SST process in not the same as spine alignment, it's different. What the truth is I don't know. But it is confusing when I spine test a SST Pured shaft and get something other than what I would expect. Are you confused as much as I am now? Sorry about that.
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Old April 8th, 2007, 02:48 AM
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When you clamp the butt of a shaft and place a 200gram weight on the tip with a laser on the end of it you would want to put the SST pured shaft mark at the 12 o'clock position. What this "is" suppose to be is the purest spot on the shaft that allows the shaft to swing freely in a perfect back and forth motion with not oscillation. You will be able to tell by the laser dot on the wall.

I believe it sounded right without too much confusion.

Sometimes this will be the same as the spine in a neutral position but since a spine isn't always straight down the shaft it can end up being a totally different spot. Hope this helps.
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Old April 9th, 2007, 12:04 PM
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Christain; What I 'd like to know is have you ever been able to come up with how SST comes up with where they put the arrow on the shaft? And if so, I'd appreciate knowing how I could do it so I can get the same results in my shop and not have to spend the money on SST puring. I don't mind the $11 that Goflsmith charges for Puring a new shaft, but I do have a problem with what they charge for a use shaft. Plus, it would be a lot easier if I could do it in my shop and not have to send a bunch of shafts off for Puring. Second question, Have you tried taking a SST Pured shaft and rotate it exaxtly 90 degrees and check to see how it works? Do you think that using spine alignment and FLO testing is just as good as the SST process? Thanks for your time.
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