i love the speeder shaft that comes with the titleist 980F (stiff) fairway woods...but if i remember correctly i heard that they are a little different from the OEM speeders...my question is...im looking to get a driver with a speeder757...if the speeder on my 980F is perfect for me..then should i get a speeder757 in Regular flex or stiff flex...im only asking b/c i heard that the ones that come with the titleist are different...also...are all 757's the same? i saw one that had 757 tour spec and was wondering what the difference was..
As far as I know, the Speeder 757 and Speeder 757 Tour Spec are the same shafts with different graphics. I know there are also different Fujikura Speeder shafts like the 660 so the 757 might not necessarily be the right shaft for you just because you like the stock Speeder shaft.
I'll leave it to someone who is more knowledgeable about shafts to explain to you the different characteristics of the Speeder shafts. If I were you, I would just get fitted. A friend of mine got fitted the other day and his shaft recommendation was the Fujikura Six.
I love the "T-speeder", but it's NOWHERE like the "real" speeders. My understanding is that Fuji allowed Titleist to stamp the "Speeder" name on that shaft, because it does have a minimal amount of Triax braiding that is common on the "real" speeders like the 757, 553, etc.
Note: Some clubfitters feel that the Titleist "T-Speeder" is a Vista Pro70 with less torque.
I love the "T-speeder" in my 980F's, but in a Driver, they feel a little soft & heavy. I've hit the 757's, which feel GREAT, very accurate and lighter. Take a look at Fuji's website (www.fujikuragolf.com), which has good info on each shaft's cpm's, and other characteristics.
The Speeder in the titleist woods and drivers is the OEM speeder. The real speeder which I've only hit (757) in the pro shop is completely different in feel. It's a very smooth feeling shaft. I have about 100 mph swing (a tad less than 150 mph ball speed) and I was hitting the 757 stiff with no problem. I would say stiff 757 is a good choice for around that swing speed unless the driver you're looking at is a bore-thru (ie Titleist drivers). Also, I believe the only OEM driver which come with "real" speeders as stock options are the TaylorMade drivers. I've seen 757's in R5, R7, R7 TP and the now discontinued 510 TP. These are going to have TM graphics but by most accounts are the "real" speeders. I asked my clubmaker and he said they are the real deal. I remember there was a mild debate about whether the speeders in the R5/R7 were "real" as they have .350 diameter tips and I believe traditionally Fujikura only made .335 shafts. The 757 now is available in .350 and .335 so that argument is moot. Also remember that more than the stiffness, the speeders are high kick shafts so they're gonna launch real low. I have no problem launching my 9.5 deg driver with my mid kick shaft but I had trouble launching a 9.5 deg w/ the 757 speeder. With my swing speed, that'll probably cost me some distance.
Last edited by noobie : February 17th, 2005 at 10:48 AM.
Victory, Sam T, and Noovie are right. I hope this will answer your question....sorry for the long post in advance. The only difference between the tour spec and a regular speeder is the graphics...other then that they are the same shaft.
Titleist Speeder is nothing like the 757 Speeder or any other Fujikura Speeder for the matter. Fujikura Speeders are made from Tri-ax. A woven material that makes a speeder a speeder. The Titleist Speeder has some Tri-ax in the tip so Titleist was allowed to use the name. However the Titleist Speeder is an OEM made by Fujikura for Titleist.
The 757 is a high kick point firm shaft. It takes a fast hard swing to load it and get the most out of the shaft. It is low torque and has a softer tip. Ball flight is low. The specs change when you put it in a bore-thru like the 983K. It will play firmer then what it is listed and the torque will be even lower in a bore-thru. A way to get around that is take it to a good club guy and he can put a piece of old shaft in the club head first and then insert the 757. It will play truer to the shaft spec's that way. I would try out a 757 first because it is hard to load unless you have a fast tempo and swing. Fujikura makes other Speeder that are easier to load and have different specs...like the 652, 553, etc. all of which are Tri-ax. Also they make the 660TR which is hard to find but it is like the 757 but a tour spec version. Usually you can only find the 660TR in Japan but I have seen some on EBay before. The 660TR is for a guy who can hit a 757 and can get most out of a 757 i.e.....swing speed around 110mph. I personally love the 652 Speeder...it is for a medium tempo but it can handle a hard swing when I step on it and it is easier to load then the 757.
The Fuji 553 and the 652 are both are medium torque 3.4-3.7 lightweight and are easy to load. The 652 has a medium ball flight and the 553 has a higher ball flight not much but higher....or in other words the 652 has a medium kick point and the 553 has a lower kick point. But remember when you put any shaft in a bore-thru like a Titleist it will change the specs in relation to the torque and flex. In both cases it will play a little stiffer and the torque will be a little lower. Ball flight will remain the same. You can still fine the Fuji 661 which is the older version of the 652 and some like it better. I have not noticed the difference between the two. The good thing about Fuji's is if you get one for a medium tempo swing...like the 553, 652, 661 and you want to swing hard the shaft will respond and you will still have control. If your swing speed is right on the border between a Reg and stiff go with the stiff if you want more control. If you want more distance go with the Reg. The 553 is an excellent medium spin, medium launch shaft. It is a medium ball flight. So you will probably get more carry if your currently using a high kick point shaft. The difference between the 553 and the 652 is the torque and the shaft weight.
If your looking for a fairway wood shaft the Speeder 869 is the bomb. The Pro Vista is also a great fairway wood shaft. I have the Pro Vista just because I have not ponyed up the cash for the 869 but I am sure when the golf voices in my head gets the better of me I will get the 869.
Last edited by Scott1s : February 17th, 2005 at 11:19 AM.
Wow, I was actually wondering the same question JCFUNk... thanks Scott for the detailed response.
I was wondering one last thing. I have a 140 BAll speed (i think around 95 swing speed).. should i go with the 652? A lot of ppl sell their drivers with an upgraded 757, but Its hard to find a used driver with a 652.
wow thanks for all the in depth info...and trudat i was thinking the same thing...i've seen a lot of drivers at good prices that come with the 757...thats why i posted this in the first place...however a guy did tell me that the 652 would probably would be best for me...for i have a medium tempo swing at around 95mph..im pretty much right in between the regular and the stiff area...so i just go with the stiff since its something that will last longer for me...but yea i was surfing on ebay and saw some TM R5's with speeder757's for like $299 brand new...so thats why i was thinking if it was worth it for me...but yea...thanks for all that input again!
Wow, I was actually wondering the same question JCFUNk... thanks Scott for the detailed response.
I was wondering one last thing. I have a 140 BAll speed (i think around 95 swing speed).. should i go with the 652? A lot of ppl sell their drivers with an upgraded 757, but Its hard to find a used driver with a 652.
There's a Tit.983K with the fuj. 652 speeder on e-bay right now. Used, 9.5deg, stiff flex.
Bore-thru is when the tip of the shaft is inserted all the way down in the head (about 3" insertion) as opposed to normal insertion (around 1.5"). Bore-thru insertion makes shafts play stiffer than their rated flex (roughly 1 flex rating higher). You also obviously need longer shafts to play at the correct length. IE, an R5 needs only a ~43 inch shaft to play at 45" i believe. Whereas the 983E needs ~45 inch shaft as it is fully inserted. With a 95 mph swing, you might have to get 10.5 loft driver to play 757 speeder. Best to see the launch angles on a monitor but I believe the optimal launch angle for that speed falls under 13-15 deg. If you get stiff, the effective loft goes down even more as you won't be able to load as easily as the regular.
Trudat & JCfuncklive.....Sam T, Noobie, and Stagday are all correct. About the only thing I could add is that with a bore-thru head not only will the shaft play stiffer the torque will go down a little as well. There is no doubt that the 757 is much more popular because the pro’s play it. But of course they have a pro swing. The 757 is a low-ball flight shaft that is harder to load (or get the most performance out of the shaft) then most shafts. The 652 is the "everyman’s" Speeder that can also handle a hard swing...it is the best of both worlds unless you are a natural hard swinger you may want to stick with the 757.
The 652 is harder to find on EBay because it is not as popular as the 757...but have you ever noticed how many 757 there on EBay? I believe that is because a lot of people buy the shaft and then figure out that you better have a fast swing to load it. I have a 652 in an R5. I got mine on EBay. I was out on EBay looking just for the shaft and found one for $118.00 new. Normally a new 652...and most other speeders... start at $230.00 The reason I did not buy the shaft was because I found my R5 with a new 652 already in it for $276.00 on EBay. I bought it in a second because I wanted a new R5 anyway. The club head was not new but the shaft was. So you can find just about any kind of Speeder on EBay for great prices but you may just have to hunt and wait for a while. I have even have found 660TR Speeders on EBay, which are very hard to find even from a dealer because they are usually only sold in Japan.
A pull is easy to find on EBay too but be careful with a pull (used shaft that was pulled from another club). Most pulled Speeder’s are ok because Speeder’s are a rugged shaft that can take a beating. What you have to be careful about is if they have been tipped. When you tip a shaft you cut some length off the tip to make it play stiffer than what it is rated. For instance you have a stiff shaft and you want a stiff and a half shaft…but not quite an X flex. You can tip the shaft and play between flexes or jump a flex and just have a shorter shaft. If the shaft has been tipped most on EBay will say how much length has been cut off but you will not really know what flex it plays. Also if the pull came from a non-bore thru club head it will not work in a bore-thru club head because the shaft will be too short.
I hope this helps.
Last edited by Scott1s : February 17th, 2005 at 03:16 PM.
thanks to all for all the great input! after about 3 months my set is almost complete...i bought a driver (TM 360XD) like 5 months ago for 90 bux because i needed a driver...but now that i have new equipment i want the real deal kinda thing...unfortunately for me..im left handed so its always harder to find stuff on ebay...also...what would be better...speeder 757 tour spec in Regular OR speeder 652 Stiff??
Without ever having hit a 652, you're probably better off getting that as a 757 is probably harder to launch. I was launching a stiff 757 at 11-12 deg on a 9.5 510 TP head. Also don't be too timid to get a regular as you can always tip it to play stiffer. But 652 stiff might be good as you will undoubtedly increase your swing speed. Mine has gone up about 7-8 mph since I started playing 6 months ago. You can also make something play a little softer by increasing the swingweight although that effect might not be very dramatic.
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