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I just got my wishon 550 irons, had to drive 3 hours there and 3 hours back but it was worth it. He started out with the normal lies and I was hitting on the heel on everyshot impact pattern on top of each other . The length was good because they matched my old set, that is 3/4" over standard of taylor made 7 years ago. Anyhow ended up getting 2.5* upright lies , center impact everytime and center on the bottom of the sole. I couldn't belive how upright the 9 and pitching wedge looked but I can't argue with the results. This was on the launch monitor so I will have to wait for the outdoor results. I am only 5' 10" so the upright really shocked me. But the fitter said I was swinging hard which caused more shaft droop.


So if my shots were on the heel and going upright caused them to go center wouldn't supertiger need more flatter lies since he is on the toe ?

Seems a bit strange that your at +3/4" and your only 5'10" tall, do you have reallly short arms?
Alot depends on you swing plane also. But if you consistantly hit on the heel, why would you go more upright? Think about it?

If your a tall person like myself at 6'3", standard clubs would tend to lie closer to your body and therefor the toe would dig, thus the need for a more upright club.

I say the 3/4" long is standard now, but The impact tape on the bottom of the club and face of the club all showed center hits. Where as when they were flatter they were towards the toe of the club on the lie board and on the heel for impact pattern. Go upright and they came back to where they were supposed to be. His explation was that I cause a lot of shaft droop due to my fast swing. I don't think I have short arms, I use a 29 " bow for archery. I may be 5'11" with golf spikes on Well I had inside out by about 2-4* with my irons and then about 0-2* closed face at impact. So I guess the drooping of the shaft would cause the toe to hit the ground first then that would disrupt the shaft and it would go to a heel shot. Then you put it upright and the impact would go where it was supposed to go since the lie angle would hit in the center and not throw off the shot. I have 6.5 rifles as well so I am not swinging limp noodles. I would like to hear CGS opinon on this. But I am hitting the center of the center on these clubs so the guy knew what he was doing with the upright angles.

Edit: Just checked my order request and the 5 iron is 38 1/4" with 1/2" gaps through the set. so 35 3/4" PW

Viper,

I am glad you posted your comment... What you have is a different swing that offers a different solution then say... standard. That is why I ask people to try certian changes before making a good suggestion. Unless they come in for a fitting and then I can work with them alot more (see there swing).

If you drop your arms quickly and transfer you weight fast at Impact then you can find the toe needs to come down more..... Its all in the players swing as no swing is the same.

I thought I would give you an update. I went and hit some demo's at lunch, the fitter was busy so I just hit some clubs. I tried a Cobra 3100 +1/2" and 2*up, a Mizuno MX-17 +1/2" std lie, and a TM OS2 +1/2" 2*up, and then I hit my own club to compare (Acer XDS2 +1" std lie, regular flex steel shaft). All 3demos were stiff steel shafts.

I hit them all about the same distance, but the Mizuno was definitely the straightest for me with the std lie. I would like to get fitted though and maybe hit all 3 again. I think I will too, the wind was blowing pretty good today too so I'd like to try on a calmer day. But, it seems like the std lie might be okay for me and just go down a 1/2". I did like all 3 clubs better than the irons I have now.

Sounds interesting, would like to have you in the shop for a few tests.... Let us know how it turns out when you get fitted/adjusted.

After spending the last week recovering from a bad bout of back spasms I tried your suggestion. Chocking down a little and moving a little closer moved the contact marks more toward the center. Moving it back and adding length seemed to do the same, however I did have a few mishits when I added length (i.e. hit them off the bottom two grooves).

With the "shortened" method my divots seemed to be cleaner and more consistent as well.

What do you think?

Hey Christian - I finally went to a fitter and had him look at my swing. I just went to a local golf store that has an indoor facility. It left me more confused than I was.

First of all he measured my knuckles to the floor and it was around 28 inches, I'm 6'3". I looked on mizuno's website and on their chart I must have monkey arms! The guy told me that put me at standard length? I'm hitting +1" right now, and thought I should be at 1/2". I got measured for length at the same store by a different guy about 3 years ago and he said I would be +1/2".

Then, he measured my driver swing speed. It averaged about 86-88 mph. So, he suggested a regular flex. I got my driver swing speed recorded in February and it was around 104. (i think anyway, it was around a 100). This was done at a different place. But, my current driver (that I bought in Feb.) does have a stiff shaft.

Lastly, he checked my lie angle and said it was perfect at std lie. That didn't surprise me as much as the other stuff.

I'm wondering if I really swing that slow? Maybe the equipment at the 2 places is off somewhere? Or maybe I was having an off day today. I was nervous in there for some reason. I think because it was right in the store and there were people all over. So, maybe I was tense and wasn't swinging as fast as usual. I think I will go back to the first place and have him measure my swing speed again and see if it's the same as it was in Feb.

Sorry for the long post. Congrats on the new baby!