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I've gone through a few big swing changes since my irons were built a few years ago and my set up and posture are much improved. When I got the clubs nearly all of my shots where in the sweet spot...I've noticed that I'm making solid contact with the ball but the ball marks on the clubface are slightly off center closer to the toe and a little lower than usual.

Based on the above info do you recommend that I have the lie angle adjust upright? Would it bring the ball back to the center at impact?

Finally...I've always had a very high ball flight and have tried a number of different flexes for my iron shafts. I've settled on a Rifle 6.0 and seem to have resigned myself to the higher ball flight. How much would a 1/2* or 1* decrease in loft change the ball flight?

I looked over your website and would like to know more about your loft and lie angle adjustment process (specifically if the $30.00 for the set includes both the loft AND the lie angle adjustment and how long it typically takes to have the work done)?

SuperTiger18,

The lie can be one of the variables that can cause you to hit offer center shots and sounds like it is somewhat of an issue by the way you are describing the ball impact area. So I would say that you may wan to adjust it a degrees or two. I would also add that you might want to try choking down on the club about a half inch and pull it alittle closer to see what effect this makes on your impact area and try adding alittle more length while standing just alittle further away... Let me know what happens if you get a chance to try this. ................ and yes the club needs to be adjust upright if anything..

Without seeing you swing, I can't tell you how much of a change the loft adjustment will do but I do think that it will help you lower you trajectory some.

yes I will honor the $30.00 for the full Loft and Lie adjustment.

I have a question regarding loft and lie angles. When I got fitted for my clubs a few years ago the guy just put some white tape on the bottom of one of the irons and had me hit a few balls off the mat. The tape on the bottom was black from the mat and looked pretty uniform, as far as the scuffing. So he said that I was fine with the standard loft and lie angles. Is this the correct way to measure that?

I probably hit off center shots more than I find the sweet spot. I just assume that's because I'm still a beginner. Lately I've been wondering if I might have the wrong angles? I'm 6'3" and my clubs are 1" longer than std.

He did use a common procedure for finding the right lie so I would say yes. It may be due to your inexperience with ball striking but hard to determine without seeing your swing.

1" over standard is good for you height but you might want to try choking up on the club and pulling closer to see how you hit the ball. Shorter clubs brings more consistancy.

Thanks for the reply. By "pulling closer" do you mean stand closer to the ball since I"ve choked up on the club?

Correct.... Choke up a tad and stand closer.... then choke up alittle more and stand alittle more closer... Make sure you hit 5-10 balls each time and then check your contact (stay relaxed and commit to the shot or it won't work). Then get back with me...

Will do...I should get out a little this weekend and I'll let you know how it went.

Sounds good.... I will await your response.

I tried it yesterday. I wasn't hitting well to start off with and when i tried choking up and standing closer...it gone even worse. When I choked up I think I moved too close to the ball and overcompensated. I dug some ditches. I did hit a couple good ones doing this though, and they were probably a little straighter than my normal ball flight...shorter though. I have a feeling I would do pretty good with a 1/2" over standard instead of an inch.

Hey Bogeyfornow,
I'm also 6'3" and play at +3/4" over standard, but you might also want to think about adjusting your lie angle to 2* upright. Since I've adjusted to 2*, I've made better contact and have been alot more accurate.
Typically, for every 1/2" you add to a club, the lie should also be adjusted 1* upright.
Do you often dig the toe of the club into the ground and/or hit alot of shots to the rights of the target? (assuming your RH)

I almost always hit to the right ( I am RH) of my target and I dig the club into the ground quite a bit too. I don't know if it's always the toe of the club, I haven't paid that close attention. Hopefully I can try that out sometime.

If you adjust your lie angle, I'm 95% sure it will definitely help with your accuracy and contact.

I am going to agree with merlando and say that lie and possibly some length may need to be adjusted. It would be your decision to make these changes

but....

Best thing to do is to have a fitter take a look at your swing with some contact paper on the front of the irons. This will help determine what adjustments (with the club) can be done to help you make center contact.

Let me know if you have anymore questions or need anymore help.

I appreciate the feedback from you and merlando. I think I will visit a fitter as soon as I can.

If you get a good fitter and he makes some good changes your score will drop dramatically and then you will understand why I am always telling golfers to get fitted atleast once so they will know what works good for there swing.

Let me know what you decide to do and how it turned out.