gotta quick question about a ruling--i haven't been able to find it on the usga site but i figure someone might know where i should look.
anyway, last weekend my hacking buddy sends one off the tee out of bounds, into a backyard of a private home. the homeowner is outside, working on his lawn, and picks up the ball and throws it onto a beautiful lie right on the fairway.
anyone know of a ruling i can reference next time this shot comes up over beers?
1. Ball was hit out of bounds - take the penalty.
2. Found ball (exactly like the one you hit out of bounds) - wave to the home owner who threw it back to you, put it in your bag and walk to your next shot.
hmm..I'd say it's in play. isn't this the same as if a spectator gets nailed in the nogging and the ball comes resting oh so nicely on the fw? I saw something very similar to this when a lady was greenside and had no clue about a ball that landed right by her. It was so funny to see. She actually picked it up and everyone was screaming at her of what she just did. She dropped that ball like a hot potato but it ended up in a better lie. LOL
GenErr is RIGHT. The ball was OB once it came to rest out of bounds. If it had hit the homeowner and been deflected back in bounds, we'd have a different outcome.
In the case as presented, GenErr is 100% correct.
By Definition: A ball is out of bounds when all of it lies out of bounds.
the rule is you have to go back to the tee box and tee up another one with penalty stroke. so instead of hitting 1 off the tee, your buddy is now hitting 3.
thanks fellas. normally i wouldn't care but he ended up beating another guy in the foursome by one before we knew exactly the ruling. in any case he's been running his mouth ever since then so i really wanted to know the ruling.
I've got another rules question while we're at it. I hit a tee shot just to the left of a cartpath(on the left side of the hole), where it rested up next to a tree. My only shot was to hit it backwards back into play, but my feet were both very much on the path. Am I entitled to relief ?
I've got another rules question while we're at it. I hit a tee shot just to the left of a cartpath(on the left side of the hole), where it rested up next to a tree. My only shot was to hit it backwards back into play, but my feet were both very much on the path. Am I entitled to relief ?
My first inclination is to say yes - the cart path interfers with the stance the you require to play the intended shot, even if it's in the opposite direction of the hole.
That is how I played it(playing for fun, no match or anything)... but for some reason it just didn't seem "right".. you know what I mean ?
I don't know for a fact if that's right, but there are times when the rules actually work for your benefit. Sometimes on tour, a pro that hits it a mile off line gets relief because of a grandstand or some other temporary obstruction and as a result, gets a much easier shot that no one else playing the course would get because the grandstand wouldn't be there. So sometimes the rules actually save us strokes.
I don't know for a fact if that's right, but there are times when the rules actually work for your benefit. Sometimes on tour, a pro that hits it a mile off line gets relief because of a grandstand or some other temporary obstruction and as a result, gets a much easier shot that no one else playing the course would get because the grandstand wouldn't be there. So sometimes the rules actually save us strokes.
True.... they do save us stroke occassionally. It's that pesky "OB" rule that seems to get me the most.
I'm almost positive you get relief there. It seems that I saw something similar on one of the tours recently.
Rule 18-1 Ball at Rest Moved....By outside agency, covers the OB ball situation. "At rest" OB is still OB, no matter how the ball may end up back in play ..........
Grandstands and bleachers all have designated drop areas and I've seen numerous Pros argue vehemently for a more "advantageous" drop after air mailing or badly missing their approach shots.
I've got another rules question while we're at it. I hit a tee shot just to the left of a cartpath(on the left side of the hole), where it rested up next to a tree. My only shot was to hit it backwards back into play, but my feet were both very much on the path. Am I entitled to relief ?
The rules would NOT grant relief in this case. Rule 24-2 covers relief from cart paths (immovable obstructions) and there is an Exception to this Rule which denies relief from the immovable obstruction if there is interference by anything other than the immovable obstruction (in this case the tree).
May 3rd, 2005, 12:40 PM
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