What is the ruling on this? I heard somewhere (prolly Golf Channel) that the only time you can move your ball when its plugged is if its in the rough, fairway, and green. If its buried in a hazard, you can pull it out to identify it but it must be replaced in exactly the same lie that you found it in. Does anyone know the exact rulings on these situations and what rule(s) they are? My roommate says that you can pull it out if its buried in a hazard but I think he's wrong. I mean, it's called a hazard for a reason right? I don't believe him cuz he likes to fudge his score all the time (i.e. he doesn't count the gimme putt as a stroke).
What is the ruling on this? I heard somewhere (prolly Golf Channel) that the only time you can move your ball when its plugged is if its in the rough, fairway, and green. If its buried in a hazard, you can pull it out to identify it but it must be replaced in exactly the same lie that you found it in. Does anyone know the exact rulings on these situations and what rule(s) they are? My roommate says that you can pull it out if its buried in a hazard but I think he's wrong. I mean, it's called a hazard for a reason right? I don't believe him cuz he likes to fudge his score all the time (i.e. he doesn't count the gimme putt as a stroke).
Rule 25-2 Embedded Ball covers a ball embedded anywhere outside a hazard.
If your rules knowledge challenged roommate picks up his ball in a hazard, before declaring the ball unplayable, he is in breach of Rule 18-2 and incurs a penalty of one stroke.
You cannot pull your ball out of a buried lie in a hazard to identify it. If you are buried in a sand trap, you can remove carefully the sand on top of your ball to identify it but if that still doesn't help then go ahead and hit your shot. Then go to your ball and identify it as yours. If it isn't your ball, you must return to the trap and find your ball. There is no penalty for hitting the wrong ball out of a hazard. If you can't find your ball in the hazard then you must treat it as a lost ball in the hazard.
You cannot pull your ball out of a buried lie in a hazard to identify it. If you are buried in a sand trap, you can remove carefully the sand on top of your ball to identify it but if that still doesn't help then go ahead and hit your shot. Then go to your ball and identify it as yours. If it isn't your ball, you must return to the trap and find your ball. There is no penalty for hitting the wrong ball out of a hazard. If you can't find your ball in the hazard then you must treat it as a lost ball in the hazard.
jhpar4 is exactly right. I just had this happen to me in a qualifyer for the Nationwide in Sept. I am glad that I waited for an official and did not pull it out to identify it.
You can take an unplayable lie in the hazard and drop the ball - staying within the hazard - and play from where you drop the ball, but you need to take the stroke penalty.
Sometimes it's advantageous to take the unplayable lie penalty. If my ball is in the sand trap and is buried near the lip of the trap and I know I have no shot I am almost better off taking the unplayable and moving the ball back in the trap to where I have a better lie and a better stance. Better to have a clean shot at it out of the trap, versus hacking at it and either missing or barely moving the ball from where it originally was at.
But any way you slice it you have to play the shot out of the hazard you hit into in the first place.
Don't like that rule? Then don't his it in the hazard.
But any way you slice it you have to play the shot out of the hazard you hit into in the first place.
Don't like that rule? Then don't his it in the hazard.
You may also return to the spot of your previous shot (the shot that put you in the buried lie) and replay the shot. Under penalty of one stroke of course.
Good thing to know all the rules on this deal guys. Now, I need a bit of help.
I'm on a Par 5, and hit my 3rd into a bunker which is unraked, and standing in about 3 inches of water. Is this casual water, and I get a drop out of the bunker no closer to the hole? There was nowhere to drop it inside the bunker without going closer to the pin, so I dropped behind it on the same line it went in on and didn't take a penalty. Did I do the right thing, or no?
1) Just back to the original post.
Plugged ball. Rule 25-2 covers this. It basically means that you can only lift an embedded ball if it is on the fairway or green. You definitely can not lift a ball in a hazard - you play it as it lies then check whether its yours or not. There is no penalty for hitting a wrong ball from a hazard.
2) Unplayable in Hazard
You can not declare a ball unplayable in a hazard (Rule 28). If your ball is in a hazard you must proceed under Rule 26. You can not drop a ball in a hazard except when you have played a ball from a hazard and the ball remains in the same hazard. If this happens you can drop in the hazard but at the spot where you last played from.
The only exception to this is if the ball is in a bunker, where there are a number of options to drop the ball in the bunker having declared it unplayable (see Rule 28 again).
3) definitely83's ball in water in a bunker.
You could either drop at the nearest point of relief inside the bunker for no penalty, or drop outside for a 1 stroke penalty. If you dropped outside the bunker you should have dropped it on a line keeping the point where the ball lay directly between the hole and the spot on which the ball is dropped, with no limit to how far behind the bunker the ball may be dropped. It is of no consequence where the ball entered the bunker. See rule 25-2b(ii)
Thus you should have added a 1 stroke penalty for dropping outside the bunker. You should also add a 2 stroke penalty for playing from a wrong place (some would argue that this is a serious breach and should be disqualification)
Good thing to know all the rules on this deal guys. Now, I need a bit of help.
I'm on a Par 5, and hit my 3rd into a bunker which is unraked, and standing in about 3 inches of water. Is this casual water, and I get a drop out of the bunker no closer to the hole? There was nowhere to drop it inside the bunker without going closer to the pin, so I dropped behind it on the same line it went in on and didn't take a penalty. Did I do the right thing, or no?
Unfortunately, you didn't.
My USGA Decisions on the Rules of Golf reads as follows:
25-1b/8 Player's Options When Bunker Completely Covered by Casual Water
Q. If a player's ball lies in a bunker completely covered by casual water, what are his options?
A. The player may play the ball as it lies or;
(1) drop the ball in the bunker without penalty at the nearest point, not nearer to the hole where the depth of the casual water is least-Rule 25-1b(ii)(a); or
(2) drop the ball behind the bunker under penalty of one stroke-Rule 25-1b(ii)(b); or
(3) declare the ball unplayable and proceed in accordance with Rule 28.
What is the ruling on this? I heard somewhere (prolly Golf Channel) that the only time you can move your ball when its plugged is if its in the rough, fairway, and green. If its buried in a hazard, you can pull it out to identify it but it must be replaced in exactly the same lie that you found it in. Does anyone know the exact rulings on these situations and what rule(s) they are? My roommate says that you can pull it out if its buried in a hazard but I think he's wrong. I mean, it's called a hazard for a reason right? I don't believe him cuz he likes to fudge his score all the time (i.e. he doesn't count the gimme putt as a stroke).
Only if the ball is tottaly barried is it removeable and set heads width away.if its sunny side (half) you must play except on greens.
Only if the ball is tottaly barried is it removeable and set heads width away.if its sunny side (half) you must play except on greens.
I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say here but this is what the Rule Book says........
Rule 25-2 Embedded Ball states in part: A ball embedded in its own pitch-mark in the ground in any closely mown area through the green may be lifted, cleaned and dropped, without penalty, as near as possible to the spot where it lay but not nearer the hole.
January 17th, 2006, 07:31 PM
I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say here but this is what the Rule Book says........
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