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Old January 15th, 2007, 11:20 PM
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Arrow The secret of using blade forged irons

I heard blade irons are better for low handicap players.
Why it is so special?
What is the different between blade forged and cavity back irons.

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Old January 15th, 2007, 11:23 PM
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search for 'blade cavity' and you'll see a superabundance of discussions on the subject.
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Old January 15th, 2007, 11:28 PM
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I heard blade irons are better for low handicap players.
Why it is so special?
What is the different between blade forged and cavity back irons.

Your reply would be highly appreciated.
I think this has been discussed a billion times...but i'll give you a quick reply

Blade Irons and your stereotypical "cast" cavity back irons are different because

Blades
Are usually softer
Usually a lower ball flight
Usually a less clicky feel
Usually more workable
Usually less offset
Usually More spin

Cavity backs are
Usually Harder
Usually more forgiving
Usually more offset
Usually go straighter
Usually Spin less
Usually bulkier and more weight at the bottom of the club to get the ball up higher


But now adays companies are making a "players" cavity back that is forged and less weight at the bottom and is the best of both worlds...people play both for different reasons...Everyone is diffrerent, but blades won't necessarily make you a better player, nor will cavity backs. Many great players play blades, and many play "player" cavity backs, and many play big old clunker cast clubs..Heck...Some guys play tons of hybrids.....So everyone is different!
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Old January 15th, 2007, 11:53 PM
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The most important thing to remember with blades is to use lots of shaving cream.


(Thank you, thank you... I'm here through Thursday).


Seriously, in addition to all of the things listed by NikeRep07, the single most important thing about blades for me is that they "talk" to me after a shot. (Yes, I know. This did seem odd at first, but once I got used to it, I stopped caring about the funny looks I was getting).

With a good set of blades, I can tell at impact whether I've struck the ball flush or off-center. But they don't just point out off-center hits, they tell me exactly where off-center the contact was.
I can hit, say, a 3-iron off the tee on a par three and when I make contact I can feel the impact and say out loud, "That's off the upper toe!"

This, of course, is usually preceeded by a colorful expletive, (usually something beginning with "mother...")

But the importance of this feedback is that I not only know I've hit a ball off-center but knowing exactly where off-center gives me insight into what I did wrong with my swing. I can then process this information and make the necessary corrections for the next time.

A cavity back club, (and I'm referring to cast cavity backs exclusively), will still allow an off-center hit to result in a decent shot because of their perimeter weighting, and cast clubs don't transmit the impact up the arm, (so I don't even know it was an off-center hit).

OK, so you're thinking: "Well, if the cavity back club corrects an off-center hit, why do I need the feedback anyway? The reason is that if you blithely go through life hitting decent shots with a faulty swing, sooner or later whatever fault you have will progress to the point where even a cavity back club won't straighten it out. When you reach that point, you too will begin prefacing remarks with colorful expletives, but the difference is that you won't have any idea as to why you're suddenly striking the ball like a drunken sailor because the flaw has had too much time to become a bona fide problem, all because there was never any subtle feedback from the beginning.

A good compromise would be a Forged Cavity Back club. You get all the benefits of the game improvement aspects of a cavity back design, but you still get the tactile feedback which will help you identify and solve a small flaw before it becomes big enough for you to have to spend several paychecks on new clubs, (this of course being the much-revered and universal cure-all for all swing flaws).

Forged clubs - blades in particular, and the wealth of information they will offer you, (whether you want it or not), are still, dollar-for-dollar, the best way to actually groove a swing, in my opinion.



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Old January 17th, 2007, 06:51 AM
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For me it is simple.
Blades give me more feel about a shot, so I can play shots into greens.
Cavity Backs just fly off the clubhead with no feel - GREAT for the higher handicap but not perfect for the lower guys/girls.
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Old January 17th, 2007, 07:39 AM
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With a good set of blades, I can tell at impact whether I've struck the ball flush or off-center. But they don't just point out off-center hits, they tell me exactly where off-center the contact was.
I can hit, say, a 3-iron off the tee on a par three and when I make contact I can feel the impact and say out loud, "That's off the upper toe!"
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Old January 17th, 2007, 09:08 AM
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I'm probably in the minority here, but I get feedback from my cast, perimeter weighted, overly forgiving, Big Bertha irons. I know when I've flushed one, and I can tell when I've hit it off the toe, heel, etc... The difference for me is that even my mis-hits travel a reasonable distance, and go fairly straight.

I applaud those who can "pure" a 3-iron using a forged blade. But I've also seen far too many golfers on the course frustrated by their lack of ability to play with their forged irons, and not enjoying the game. Many of them refuse to use new technology because someone told them they'd get better by using forged blades.

Just my 2 cents.
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Old January 17th, 2007, 09:12 AM
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My two cents... for me, the absolute #1 advantage that a forged club offers over a cast club is distance control. Cast clubs seem to send the ball flying too much for me at least...
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Old January 17th, 2007, 09:45 AM
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I'm probably in the minority here, but I get feedback from my cast, perimeter weighted, overly forgiving, Big Bertha irons. I know when I've flushed one, and I can tell when I've hit it off the toe, heel, etc... The difference for me is that even my mis-hits travel a reasonable distance, and go fairly straight.

I applaud those who can "pure" a 3-iron using a forged blade. But I've also seen far too many golfers on the course frustrated by their lack of ability to play with their forged irons, and not enjoying the game. Many of them refuse to use new technology because someone told them they'd get better by using forged blades.

Just my 2 cents.
So I am not alone. I play X18's and 9 times out of ten I can tell where the ball made contact with the clubface. At least on full shots.
Surely the reason to play blades must depend on desired trajectory and shot shaping ability.
On the other hand cavity back clubs are nowadays so forgiving, it does not make sence for a mid to high handicapper to play blades. So I would say that if you are not a 10 handicap player or less forget the blades.
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Old January 17th, 2007, 11:39 AM
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After playing my MP-32's for the past couple of years I hit my old TM cavity backs the other day. The best way to describe it is that it feels like you took a towel, wrapped it around the head of the iron and hit balls like that. You can tell you hit something, but you have no idea what or where.

That's one of the big differences between forged blades and cast cavity backs.

And I've never hit them so I don't speak from experience, but I would be surprised if you got enough feedback from a cast Callaway cavity back to tell precisely where on the clubface the ball made contact. I could be wrong, but I'd be truly surprised.
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Old January 17th, 2007, 02:46 PM
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So I am not alone. I play X18's and 9 times out of ten I can tell where the ball made contact with the clubface. At least on full shots.
Surely the reason to play blades must depend on desired trajectory and shot shaping ability.
On the other hand cavity back clubs are nowadays so forgiving, it does not make sence for a mid to high handicapper to play blades. So I would say that if you are not a 10 handicap player or less forget the blades.
That makes 3 of us. I started with forged because that's all they had back then. I've been using cavity backs for 20 years (Armour 845s & now Big Bertha 2002s) and I can always tell when I've hit it toe, heel or thin before I look up. The result of the shot is not as bad as when I do the same with a forged club, though (I still have my old forged set and fool around with them occassionally). And to mr3856, I guess that depends on our definition of "precisely".

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Old January 17th, 2007, 03:14 PM
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After playing my MP-32's for the past couple of years I hit my old TM cavity backs the other day. The best way to describe it is that it feels like you took a towel, wrapped it around the head of the iron and hit balls like that. You can tell you hit something, but you have no idea what or where.

That's one of the big differences between forged blades and cast cavity backs.

And I've never hit them so I don't speak from experience, but I would be surprised if you got enough feedback from a cast Callaway cavity back to tell precisely where on the clubface the ball made contact. I could be wrong, but I'd be truly surprised.
I am fairly new around here, but not new to the game. I started playing golf when I was 8, using my father's cut down Maxfli Australian Blades. I used those for about 5 years (reshafted twice) and then moved to a set of Ping Eye 2+ reds. I can tell you exactly where I hit the ball on those (I still have 'em), down to the groove. I am sure that it has something to do with my origins in the game. I can also tell exactly where I hit the ball with my R7, although it is a little more muted than my old Titleist 975.

I think that the whole "feel" thing has to do with the type of game you play and other, outside factors. Some people can feel the ball on any club and others cannot. It will only affect your game if you let it.
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Old January 17th, 2007, 03:18 PM
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i cannot stand having a big iron, i really like the blades, currently im playing my new mizuno mp-67's, and i would never switch back to a CB, too much offset, and they give no feel when struck solidly
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Old January 17th, 2007, 03:22 PM
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....and they give no feel when struck solidly

You must have Incredible Hulk hands!
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Old January 17th, 2007, 03:23 PM
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You must have Incredible Hulk hands!
Well forged clubs have more feel than cast, that can't be disputed.
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