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I bought a TM580XD this year, and after struggling with a couple of different shafts, I think I've found a good combo - a local clubfitter solved the problem. I'm not loaded with golf money, and this was a very serious purchase for me. I take very good care of the clubs, and even put car polish on the metal woods every couple of weeks to keep the lustre.

At my after-work 9-hole league some of us play a few extra holes if time allows. Last night there were six of us, and I'll be darned if every person didn't want to try the driver. My response was "sure go at it, but if you scratch it you buy it." I was referring to sky marks, and most of the guys agreed and then proceeded to hit the club. (I will admit with the size of the ******* head it would be pretty tough to sky the ball.)

Years ago I had purchased the TM burner bubble (the copper colored heads). A buddy of mine wanted to try it and I agreed. It was a muddy day, and the ball he was using must have had mud on it. He got under the ball and left a sky mark that was VERY NOTICEABLE. When he gave it back to me I showed him the sky mark and his response was "yeah I got under it didn't I?"

Am I being too anal about this? What do you think?

The club's your responsibility, you don't want it wrecked, don't lend it out, i reckon.

yea i agree with pullhook, but i mean it wasn't your fault. he should buy it. retail price. its not your fault. but if you're really into your club then i wouldn't lend it out. thats just me.

The other day I let my playing partner use my Titleist driver (he was still in the dark ages with a steel shaft offset Dunlop) so he could see the benefit of a titanium head and graphite shaft. I did not say anything to him so to me, I assumed all the responsibility. If he agreed to buy it from me if he put pop up marks on it then it would be his responsibility. I guess it's what the two parties agree upon or remain silent on. My partner then went out and bought a Wilso Deep Red. Which I hit the follwing week. Hit the ball a mile. Good feeling club.

I just switched to the Deep Red's and I love them. They are slightly longer then my TM. Can't beat the prices on Ebay for them either, it appears Wilson is dumping alot of last years models, can't wait to see what their new stuff is going to be.

Sorry about the threadjack.

jeez, i can only imagine how far i could hit the ball with a titanium head and a graphite shaft. i'm battling it out in my stone age. haha my club weigh's more than i do. hahaha.

thanks for the feedback.

It is ultimately my responsibility if I let someone else use it.

However, have any of you ever lent a tool, or for instance your lawnmower to your neighbor? I think the implication is that you want the tool or lawnmower returned to you in the same condition as when you gave it to him.

Did you ever let someone borrow your car? I know we all have insurance, but if something was damaged would you expect the borrower to pay the deductible, or whatever wasn't covered by your insurance?

Maybe its just me, but if I damaged something I borrowed I would do everything possible to remedy it.

Again, thanks for the responses.

thats a good point. but i think if he's a good partner and all, he should pay atleast something. ahaha so he doesn't just stroll around looking for clubs to ruin.

My Dad gave me this advice when I was young and it still works for me today. "Don't loan your woman to your friends and don't loan your equipment to your friends." He was "old school" but his advice has kept me out of more than one jam.

I have a friend who also won't let anyone hit his clubs. A couple of years ago he bought a new set of Titleist irons and as he unloaded them from his trunk in the parking lot of the course (he hadn't played them yet) another buddy wanted to look at his 7 iron. The buddy, 7 iron in hand, proceeds to step away from the car and take a practice swing right there in the parking lot. Big mistake!! The virgin 7 iron smashed into the concrete so hard sparks shot out from the club. There was a moment of complete silence, then the joker in our group yells "get in the hole!" We were all stunned, but we couldn't help but bust out laughing. All but one of us that is.....
His new 7 iron was severely damaged and the look in his eyes was enough to kill the laughter. The offender immediately pulled out his wallet (which in hindsight, was probably the only move he could make to prevent serious bodily harm) and bought a "slightly used" Titleist 7 iron to go with his PINGS. We all knew it wouldn't be funny if it happened to us, but we still retell the story everytime somebody wants to hit someone else's new club.

[quote=leaguegolf]My Dad gave me this advice when I was young and it still works for me today. "Don't loan your woman to your friends and don't loan your equipment to your friends." He was "old school" but his advice has kept me out of more than one jam.

..... There was a moment of complete silence, then the joker in our group yells "get in the hole!" We were all stunned, but we couldn't help but bust out laughing. All but one of us that is.....QUOTE]

leaguegolf - good stuff, especially your dad's advice.

"Get in the hole," would have cracked me up too. But the guy did the right thing buying the club.

Although I wasn't visibly mad when my buddy put the sky mark on the bubble driver, I was extremely disappointed in him for not offering some kind of restitution. I think it showed me a side of him that maybe I hadn't seen before.

Oh well, we live and learn don't we - thank God.

GenErr,

If he damaged my club, the only side I'd want to see of him is his "backside".....as I stuck my foot in it!

i woulduv pulled out my 9 and repetedly beated the man, as well as stabbing him with my tee. then puttin on my golf shoes and stomping on his rotting corpse. just an idea for the next time sumtin like this happens

Ignoring the case where the gentleman swung the club in the parking lot (I don't want to even go there), if you loan the club to someone on the course and cosmetic damage happens during normal play, should they really be responsible for it?

The equipment is still "sporting" equipment, which means it gets used in a physical way. Marks are going to develop on golf clubs as we play with them (there is little we can do to avoid it).

I use an example from a different sport: softball. I own a pair of $200 softball bats that I use regularly. I let the team use them. I know they are going to get marked up, just because of what they are used for. If someone broke one swinging at a pitch I wouldn't make them buy me a new one. I realized when I let them use it that it could happen.

I look at my golf clubs the same way. If I'm gonna loan them out and damage is done to them during normal use, then I'm not going to expect anything in the way of retribution (I will probably not loan them out again), but I'm not sure that the person damaging the club should be responsible - if the club is damaged during what I would call "normal" use.

Just my opinion...

This just validates the advice my Dad gave me about loaning women and equipment!

Well I guess I was brought in a different era, but my Dad taught me to respect other peoples property, and if I borrowed something then it was to be returned in the same condition that it was received. If someone said I could try there club to see if I liked it and I put a skymark or a gouge in Iron or wedge I would ofter to it have repaired or replace. To me this is just plain and simple respect for somone elses property. Also if one of my friends skymarked my club I would at least expect them to make an offer to have it repaired, whether I accept there offer is my choice and just shows that they are indeed respectful and a friend.