Yes, I saw Tiger drop a few F bombs when the cameras were on him (and when aren't they?) on Friday. Although I refrain from such language, I fully understand the frustrations of the game. My profanity is limited to a few "Gosh Darn its and an occasional sonofapuppydog." I know all the choice words, but you won't find me using them on the golf course. I enjoy the game far too much to detract from it in such a manner.
For the record...Tiger isn't the only player out there that "lets'em fly on occasion!" He's just, by a wide margin, the one the cameras are on the most. I'm not condoning his language, but simply cutting him a little slack for his indiscretions. I feel it's a fair trade off for the passion he plays with, and for all he's brought to the game.
I personally do not care that he does it, it shows a person cares in my opinion when they start getting mad, sure they don't have to use swears but even the little god dang it tiger that he lets out alot shows that he is into it. I know Ernie Els cares, but he doesn't show it, he makes a birdie he look like he just made a double bogey. I don't mind Ernie but he doesn't show emotion. I personally like Sergio.
I do agree that Tiger is a great golfer ,, not the best, but I think his gutter mouth is totally unprofessional and unacceptable
Do you think these comments affect our youth as much as comments from Vijay about women in golf?(I do not mean any hint of sarcasm by the way, and I am not trying to start an argument or anything so please take this with the best intentions) In my humble opinion this type of behaviour is much worse then the casual four letter word.
Nowadays every 12 year old has heard this language. It is a part of our culture. Good parenting will put an end to any damaging effects this might have. It is no different in any sporting event, or pretty much any aspect of life, follow yourself around with a camera 24/7 and I am sure you will make a mistake. I for one like to see emotion out on the course. They are just words after all .. not directed to be hurtful towards anyone, just to release some steam in a non-violent fashion. I say SWEAR on Tiger!!!!!
And you guys are right the starfish by Micks is a CLASSIC!!!
Do you think these comments affect our youth as much as comments from Vijay about women in golf?(I do not mean any hint of sarcasm by the way, and I am not trying to start an argument or anything so please take this with the best intentions) In my humble opinion this type of behaviour is much worse then the casual four letter word.
What is it that VJ Singh has said about women in golf that would have an effect on our youth? What type of behavior are you referring to?
I am refeering to his comments about Annika not belionging in the PGA. I just meant to say these comments or the ones by the all male golf clubs etc. which actually restrict the game do much more harm then a few swear words. The energy would be better spent directed towards these areas.
Last edited by itsalebaron : September 19th, 2004 at 11:27 PM.
I hafta agree with Patp...passion for the game, heat of the moment, intensity of competition...all fine, and expected of the pros. But along with that position comes a certain amount of responsibility to the gallery, fans and sponsors. Tiger's a role model whether he likes it or not, despite what Charles Barkley says. The responsibility comes with the territory. Occasional slips are understandable from anyone...Tiger's aren't slips. There are scores of golfing greats that have never made those "slips" on camera...or even loud enough to share with the gallery...how would you feel if you heard someone like Langer, Ballesteros, Crenshaw, Nelson or Nicklaus drop the occasional f-bomb? Would that be different? Tiger is using his draw as a celebrity to justify his right to take journalistic license and say pretty much whatever he wants...I don't think less of him as a pro (well, maybe a little) or a person, I just think he needs to grow up a little bit. And I am sure he will eventually. Even though Davis Love III is no angel, I'm sure, he still projects plenty of fire and emotion while maintaining, imo, impeccable professional aplomb. I bet we'll never hear smack like that from Annika, either. Boils down to personal choices. I myself have said some pretty crude things in anger and disgust, but only when playing in tight company...when I play in tourneys or scrambles (especially around the ladies) I watch my mouth (and my partner's, for that matter)...call me old-fashioned. Courtesy and consideration are, to me, the most attractive attributes of this game which sets it apart from almost every other sport.
I am refeering to his comments about Annika not belionging in the PGA. I just meant to say these comments or the ones by the all male golf clubs etc. which actually restrict the game do much more harm then a few swear words. The energy would be better spent directed towards these areas.
Was VJ wrong about Annika not belonging on the PGA Tour? Are all male clubs wrong? Annika will not belong on the PGA Tour until she earns her way there....like everyone else. VJ just said aloud what many other PGA players were afraid to say.
Establishing a private club in no way restricts the game of golf. On the contrary, it promotes it for those that wish to have a private place to play and can afford to do so. I don't belong to one but I fully support those that do. What is the difference between an all male golf club and the Boy Scouts? Or the Girl Scouts for that matter? No public club should ever discriminate against race, gender, or religion, but private clubs are just that....private, and who plays there should be determined by the club's membership.
Sorry about the rant, but Martha Burke mentality about golf really sets me off.
Maybe this isn't a good thing, but when people swear anymore, I don't even know it most of the time. However, I did notice Tiger dropping the F bomb, but it goes in one ear and out the other. Not the best behavior to use that language in public, but there are worst things in life. I guess it doesn't bother me, cause he's mad at himself - it would be far different if he used that language directed at someone in the crowd. (I think Steve carries out that kind of dirty work for Woods!) I'm sure there are a lot of guys on tour that have used very similar language, but as stated b4, they aren't on camera nearly as often as Woods. Got to keep it all in perspective - it would be better if he could tone it down, but that's who the guy is - I never expect perfection out of anyone and high profile personalities are no exception. He has a temper, but it's over quick and he mentally gets back on track faster than anyone. I've heard Jack say some choice words on the course that aren't printable here (not the F bomb tho - I doubt Jack is one to use that word much, if at all, and certainly not in public). But each to their own and all of us need to keep it in perspective.
I know of one player (who will remain nameless here) that once displayed a far worse breach of professionlism without ever swearing. Without going into details, I had more of a problem with how that guy acted than with the bad language because Woods is mad at himself and this guy was mad at others. And no, the player I am referring to is not Curtis Strange , who is known to not exactly keep it in himself either.
I believe when Tiger has kids of his own around his use of profanity will probably greatly decrease or disappear all together. You're right about the vulgarity always being directed at himself and not others, but that doesn't mean its OK. Especially with kids within earshot. Oh yeah, better bring your earplugs tomorrow....in the event my game goes south!
September 19th, 2004, 03:13 PM
I enjoy the game far too much to detract from it in such a manner. 
.....that little starfish jump was so funny 
There are scores of golfing greats that have never made those "slips" on camera...or even loud enough to share with the gallery...how would you feel if you heard someone like Langer, Ballesteros, Crenshaw, Nelson or Nicklaus drop the occasional f-bomb? Would that be different? Tiger is using his draw as a celebrity to justify his right to take journalistic license and say pretty much whatever he wants...I don't think less of him as a pro (well, maybe a little) or a person, I just think he needs to grow up a little bit. And I am sure he will eventually. Even though Davis Love III is no angel, I'm sure, he still projects plenty of fire and emotion while maintaining, imo, impeccable professional aplomb. I bet we'll never hear smack like that from Annika, either. Boils down to personal choices. I myself have said some pretty crude things in anger and disgust, but only when playing in tight company...when I play in tourneys or scrambles (especially around the ladies) I watch my mouth (and my partner's, for that matter)...call me old-fashioned. Courtesy and consideration are, to me, the most attractive attributes of this game which sets it apart from almost every other sport.
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