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Old November 8th, 2004, 04:17 AM
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Angry what's wrong with Tiger Woods?

Everyone seems to have his or her take on what's wrong with Tiger Woods http://www.travelgolf.com/department...oubles-786.htm
Leave the poor guy alone. He is just having a bad run. Let him get out of it himself and in peace.
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Old November 8th, 2004, 10:02 AM
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I think Tiger is just mentally playing like most amatures. Every single swing (with driver or long iron) it looks to me like he is just viciously going after the ball, and for what! He hits it so long anyway, why do that to yourself and take a chance of missing a fairway or something? Yeah, sure it looks wonderful it if finally hits one straight down the middle with a 140 mph swing, but how often is he doing that? NEVER! lol. I think Tiger does stuff just so after he swings he gets all of the "OOOOoooo's and AAAAHHHHhh's" that the crowds love to do when he trys to rip one. If Tiger would just slow his swing down by like 10 or 15 mph he'd probably be in the fairway and he probably would have ran away with that tournement....instead he just kept trying to kill the ball and kept putting it in the rough and he keeps losing.
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Old November 8th, 2004, 10:56 AM
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I am revelling in it. Not from the aspect of being down on Tiger himself but for the bandwagon jumpers and the media that put him above the game itself. Where are these people now?
Why doesn't The Golf Channel show Tiger's WORST 10 ? Why do they put him above the game to show his Best 10............ like no other golfer could hit those shots. Give us liftime golfers a break. No one is above the game.
I think it is good for Tiger and good for a lot of people that he is having his problems. 34% of the fairways hit. Pitiful.
But the fact he finished 2nd does show something.
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Old November 8th, 2004, 11:30 AM
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Didn't he finish second? Whats wrong with that, he probably just made more money finishing second than I will in the rest of my life time. Frankly I don't understand the irrationally high expectations that are placed on the guy. Sure he had a miraculous run when he broke on the tour but no human could keep that up.

Vijay had a horrible tournament. Wheres all the "what happened to Vijay" articles and speculation. Like many things in our society today its media driven. To much air time and not enough material.

Dr. Billz. I can relate on the bandwagon aspect. Truth be know I just started following professional golf when I started playing last spring, so the above opinion is pretty much me talking about things I don't know about. On the other hand try being a NASCAR fan for years and having to here the name Earnhardt two billion times a week from people who don't know squat about the sport. Makes me think my head is going to explode at times.
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Old November 8th, 2004, 11:47 AM
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I am revelling in it. Not from the aspect of being down on Tiger himself but for the bandwagon jumpers and the media that put him above the game itself. Where are these people now?
Why doesn't The Golf Channel show Tiger's WORST 10 ? Why do they put him above the game to show his Best 10............ like no other golfer could hit those shots. Give us liftime golfers a break. No one is above the game.
I think it is good for Tiger and good for a lot of people that he is having his problems. 34% of the fairways hit. Pitiful.
But the fact he finished 2nd does show something.
Dr. billZ - I'm not a big Tiger fan, and I kind of agree with you about the media frenzy with Tiger. But television especially is so focused on highlight shots, no matter what the sport - basketball, football, and golf. And to be honest Tiger makes some MIRACULOUS recoveries from the ridiculous situations he puts himself into.

As far as other golfers hitting the shots he does? - I don't think anyone, past or present, scrambles the way Tiger can.

And I agree with you 100% that no one is above the game.
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Old November 8th, 2004, 12:29 PM
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Why doesn't The Golf Channel show Tiger's WORST 10 ? Why do they put him above the game to show his Best 10............ like no other golfer could hit those shots. Give us liftime golfers a break. No one is above the game.
That's an easy one. TGC (or any other channel for that matter) knows what it's viewers want to see. Like it or not, and obviously you don't, Tiger is the most recognized, and therefore most televised, golfer in the world. If people didn't watch, the networks, golf shows, and sponsors would broadcast something else.

I've seen programs where the top shots of the year have been shown and yes, other players hit great shots too. Sorry, but I don't think a program showing VJ Singh's or Ernie Els' top ten shots would interest sponsors, or TV viewers as much as Tiger's would.

I fail to see how a highlight show of Tiger's best shots puts him "above the game." If anything, Tiger has helped elevate the game to new heights. Your Tiger hating is showing again.
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Old November 8th, 2004, 01:15 PM
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I'm not a Tiger lover, but I enjoy watching that top-10 shots show. They should do a top 25. He'll never dominate again until he gets his driver straightened out, though. I wonder if he's working with anyone on the sly. I read an interesting comment that he made the other day. He said that everyone has there day & he was fortunate that his lasted 5+ years. Sounded sort of resigned & very un-Tigeresque.
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Old November 8th, 2004, 01:24 PM
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I think he's been working with Hank Haney for a while now. He's still not hitting many fairways, but he's not 100 yards wide of them anymore like he was for a while there. It'll get straightened out a bit. Vijay has barely hit 60% of the fairways this year and has done just fine. Tiger is just over 56%. That's not a tremendous difference. I think his poor iron play and substandard scrambling skills this year have hurt him worse than the bad driving.
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Old November 8th, 2004, 02:30 PM
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I read an interesting comment that he made the other day. He said that everyone has there day & he was fortunate that his lasted 5+ years. Sounded sort of resigned & very un-Tigeresque.
Maybe Tiger just recognizes that VJ's play during 2004 has surpassed his (Tiger's) "current" form and he's been supplanted at the top. That doesn't mean he doesn't have another "run" of his own in mind.
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Old November 8th, 2004, 02:59 PM
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Well, he's only 28. It's been well documented that most pro golfers (especially the alltime greats) peak in their early to mid 30s. I'm not saying that we will see Tiger have a more dominant run than he did in '99-02, but I can't see him not having plenty more success in his career, much to the chagrin of those who dislike the extra attention he receives.
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Old November 8th, 2004, 04:01 PM
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... much to the chagrin of those who dislike the extra attention he receives.

Count me amongst that group. He does though have way to much talent mentally & physically not to return to the top, although I agree it's unlikely he'll ever regain his 99-02 form. I know it was "good for the game" both financially & in terms of spreading interest, but I personally didn't enjoy his period of dominance... and isn't that what really matters ?
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Old November 9th, 2004, 04:59 PM
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> Didn't he finish second? Whats wrong with that

TV viewership. PGA Tour is not going to get a favorable TV rights financial deal. Maybe even 25% less than their last contract. I always liked Tiger losing so some newbie can win. 900k is a lot of money. If you have millions, what's another million to you. But if you have never won, then that first elusive win is huge.

I think Tiger has peaked already. I don't think he will get back to his 2000 status with 9 tour wins. The only thing I've ever heard Tiger say is that he is getting back to playing better and the reason he left his coach and went off to do his swing change is so that "He owns the fix". I take it that means if he fixes it on his own, then if he runs into the same problem, then he will know how to self-correct it.

PGA Tour is too competitive these days. Once near the top, then longevity is the key. VJ has done well the last few years IMHO. Same with Ernie but I'm sure Ernie thought he should have had a few more important wins. What happened to Davis Love III? Gotta be able to compete week-in, and weekout. It's really tough.
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Old November 10th, 2004, 01:49 AM
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Most of the ideas about Tiger are based on his swing. I hvae a few different ones. His knee, his father, his wife. Yes, thats right, his wife. Has anyone else noticed how tired Tiger looks these days? I think that might be from staying up with that bombshell of his. I'm not sure you would want to fall asleep either!
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Old November 12th, 2004, 03:04 AM
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> I'm not sure you would want to fall asleep either!

Life just isn't fair to us common folks! :)
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