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Old September 13th, 2006, 09:12 PM
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Picked up some new cleveland launchers lp at golfsmith this weekend.
I think he said my average mph swing speed with a 6 iron was about 75 mph. Therefore he recommended regular flex shafts. Sounded good to me, that's what my first set of irons were.
Anyways, if that is my swing speed with a 6 iron, would my diver speed be the same or higher? I should have swung a driver while I was there, but did not think about it.
Based on that, should my driver have a regular flex? What about a 3 and 5 wood?
I'm new to this game if you can't tell already. Only been golfing about 4 months.
Thanks for the help.
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Old September 13th, 2006, 09:24 PM
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my 6 iron swing is in the 85-87 mph range and driver is 110-115 I don't know for sure but i would guess 75mph would equate to 100 mph with driver.
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Old September 14th, 2006, 12:11 PM
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Picked up some new cleveland launchers lp at golfsmith this weekend.
I think he said my average mph swing speed with a 6 iron was about 75 mph. Therefore he recommended regular flex shafts. Sounded good to me, that's what my first set of irons were.
Anyways, if that is my swing speed with a 6 iron, would my diver speed be the same or higher? I should have swung a driver while I was there, but did not think about it.
Based on that, should my driver have a regular flex? What about a 3 and 5 wood?
I'm new to this game if you can't tell already. Only been golfing about 4 months.
Thanks for the help.
I believe driver swing speed is approximately 15 mph faster than a 6 iron (assuming standard length shafts - whatever that is today

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Old September 14th, 2006, 12:19 PM
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Roughly, 6 iron for 150 yard, a regular flex is good. 8 iron for 150 yard, you will need a stiff flex.
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Old September 14th, 2006, 05:13 PM
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please do not buy a driver or shaft on swing speed alone ball speed tempo rhythm and "lead/lag" or the amount of force in your swing is the only way to get the proper shaft flex. Swing speed is the old way of shaft selection, there is too much left to chance when it is done that way, your irons are right most likely but drivers are much different get on a launch monitor for the best fitting, most places wont charge for that if you buy from them.
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Old September 14th, 2006, 06:26 PM
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SunnyCal" " 6 iron for 150 yard, a regular flex is good. 8 iron for 150 yard, you will need a stiff flex." This is what you posted and its total garbage, sorry to have to tell you that. I was fit on a TrueTemper Shaftlab, which measures only the way you "load" the shaft, not swing speeed. I was tested 3 times, on 3 different machines, and each time the recommended flex for me was between a A flex and a R flex. And the reason I'm telling you your data is garbage, is that I happen to hit my 9 iron 150 yards carry. And I've been know to hit it 160 yards when I really hit it prefect. So if the recommended flex for me is R flex at most, how can you figure I should be using an X Stiff shaft going by how far I hit my 9 iron?

As for the swing speed with a driver, going be the 75 MPH for the 6 iron, the general rule of thumb is to add 10 MPH to that 75, for a total of 85. That's the norm, may not be true for all golfers, but its the industry standard.

If you can't find a shop with a ShaftLab, your next best bet would to get fit on a launch monitor and find out what flex gives you the most distance, with the degree of accuracy you want. Stiffer is not always more accurate by the way, sometimes too stiff is worst than too soft. What you want is the flex that's "Not too hard, and not too soft", the one that's "Just right".
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Old September 14th, 2006, 08:22 PM
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Thanks for the replies.
There seems to be alot of things to consider for a shaft selection. Can anyone recomend a place in CT for a launch monitor and fitting for a shaft? I know there is a golfsmith and a golfers warehouse. Are these good places to go?
The whole swing speed and choice of club for 150 yards was confusing to me, because my swing speed was kind of low on the chart, but my 150 yard club is an 8 iron or easy 7 iron.
Again, thanks for the info
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Old September 14th, 2006, 08:25 PM
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Thanks for the replies.
There seems to be alot of things to consider for a shaft selection. Can anyone recomend a place in CT for a launch monitor and fitting for a shaft? I know there is a golfsmith and a golfers warehouse. Are these good places to go?
The whole swing speed and choice of club for 150 yards was confusing to me, because my swing speed was kind of low on the chart, but my 150 yard club is an 8 iron or easy 7 iron.
Again, thanks for the info

every iron company, has differnt lofts pretty much. Plus the newer your clubs get the stronger the lofts are to make you think you are hitting it further. I have one set of clubs that 9 iron is 155-160 and then my new set that I had the lofts tweaked more like the old days the 9 iron went to 145.
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Old September 14th, 2006, 08:51 PM
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Kind of off topic, but I was wondering what kind of swing and ball speed is usually required to get the ball to "whoosh" off the clubface.
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Old September 15th, 2006, 01:57 AM
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^ as long as you pure the shot it will have that swoosh no matter ss or ball speed.
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Old September 15th, 2006, 03:04 AM
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The amount of deloft you add to the club at impact plays a big part too. Holding your angle through impact and what not. Thats why some people have low boring trajectories and others have High "ride the wind" trajectories

Kinda ties in with OnePutts response
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Old September 15th, 2006, 09:37 AM
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^ as long as you pure the shot it will have that swoosh no matter ss or ball speed.
I'm a 3.5 handicap and I've been playing a long time. I think I've pured a shot before, but I've only made the ball 'whoosh' probably 4 times. Meanwhile I average about 295+ off the tee with the driver and hit my 3-wood 260+ with a ball speed of about 165 MPH with the driver and 155 with the 3-wood.

That's why I thought that it was in some way related to a particular ball-speed/swing-speed because I have roughly tour average ball speed and yet I don't make the ball 'whoosh' at all.
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Old September 15th, 2006, 12:22 PM
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explain what you are asking with the whoosh sound ?
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Old September 15th, 2006, 12:32 PM
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SunnyCal" " 6 iron for 150 yard, a regular flex is good. 8 iron for 150 yard, you will need a stiff flex." This is what you posted and its total garbage, sorry to have to tell you that. I was fit on a TrueTemper Shaftlab, which measures only the way you "load" the shaft, not swing speeed. I was tested 3 times, on 3 different machines, and each time the recommended flex for me was between a A flex and a R flex. And the reason I'm telling you your data is garbage, is that I happen to hit my 9 iron 150 yards carry. And I've been know to hit it 160 yards when I really hit it prefect. So if the recommended flex for me is R flex at most, how can you figure I should be using an X Stiff shaft going by how far I hit my 9 iron?

As for the swing speed with a driver, going be the 75 MPH for the 6 iron, the general rule of thumb is to add 10 MPH to that 75, for a total of 85. That's the norm, may not be true for all golfers, but its the industry standard.

If you can't find a shop with a ShaftLab, your next best bet would to get fit on a launch monitor and find out what flex gives you the most distance, with the degree of accuracy you want. Stiffer is not always more accurate by the way, sometimes too stiff is worst than too soft. What you want is the flex that's "Not too hard, and not too soft", the one that's "Just right".
Yes, I agree that doing club fitting in front of a launch monitor or your "Shaftlab" is the best thing to find a better flex. However, the next best thing is measured in the data that I posted, if it's garbage then some club fitting sites are garbage too.

http://www.mccanngolf.com/index.asp?S=3&A=1&P=26

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Old September 15th, 2006, 04:45 PM
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SunnyCal: I know what you're saying, as I went to goes same sites and I looked at what was posted. One site says that if you hit your approach shots from 150 yards with either a 8 or 9 iron, you need a X Stiff shaft. Well, I hit a 9 iron that far, so I would figure I need an X Stiff shaft in my irons. But when I was tested on the ShaftLab, which measures how I "load" the shaft, the recommended flex was at the top of A flex, or maybe R flex if I "really got into it more. So I went with R flex, for a measure of insurance should my swing change a little and I start to load the shaft more. As it turns out, I hit much straighter shots with the R flex shafts than either the A flex or the Stiff flex shafts I tried when I was being fit. I have a set of X-stiff flex shafted irons, due to going by that 150 yard recommendation. What I notice with my new R flex irons, is I hit the ball higher and just as far and straighter on average. My ball holes the green much better with the higher ball flight, so I'm ahead on all factors. My driver swing speed tops out at 107, but again the recommended flex for my driver was R flex, just a little over the border of A and R flex. So, YES, I would have to say all those sites that try to tell you what you need going by how far you hit the ball are totally garbage. And my recommation of a R flex shaft in my driver, has been comfirmed half a dozen times on a launch monitor, where I gain distance and am more accurate with a R flex shaft. My launch angle is better also. That's why I recommend the TrueTemper ShaftLab, in measures how you "load" the shaft, and that's really what matters.
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