golfrewind.com

http://www.gigagolf.com/flashframe.j...sd%2FVmTBWrJ7Q and http://www.innovexgolf.com/index.asp

One says I need 1 degree in lie and a midsize grip and the other says I need standard for both. Anyone have any experience with either? Or know of a better one?

ehh i think they are terrible ....just go git fitted

I'm not too sure how the fitment process works. I do need some new clubs, but do I go to someone with my old set and have them look at my swing to see the changes I need done? Or can I go to someone after I buy a new set and have them fix them? What about my swing. I do have some flaws in it, so let's say I get fitted with the swing I have now, then I work out the flaws in it will that change how the clubs are? Sorry for all the questions lol

Exactly. I'm not a big fan of getting fitted. You can get fitted for clubs, but once your swing changes you may have clubs that aren't right for you. I think you're probably better off just getting a set which standard loft and see how you do.

About the same as buying clothes through the mail...best bet is a one on one in person with a reputable fitter...

I buy clothes through the mail, so I resent that, lol. Well, technically its online, but you get the point. I went in and got fitted and for the irons I'm getting I was +1/2" and 2* upright. It's really nice being able to get fitted and also hitting demo clubs in different specs.

BTW, I wouldn't really go with those online club fittings, they have came up with some weird results for me.

I buy clothes thru the internet as well...point is about 50% of the time I wind up returning it for another size unless it is a manufacturer that I am well aquainted with, and even then sometimes it just doesn't fit right...there is no subsititute for swinging a club in person with a lie board and a qualified fitter watching and appraising...case in point...online I was fitted for 2*upright when in fact my actual in person fitting showed best results 2* flat...

I can tell you that the Innovex fitting system doesn't fit for lie. It will always say standard lie. 80% of the time if you get the club length right, standard lie should be fine anyway. Online fitting can be quite good. I have a system myself that I use with my business, but it's not automatic. I have my customers fill in a form that gives me alot of information about their swing and I weigh it all up and make an informed, human decision. Even then I don't fit lie, just length, flex and shaft model. There is no way of accurately fitting lie online that I know of.

Sometimes the automatic online fitting systems don't take enough information into account. For instance, you can't fit flex purely on distances. My Dad hits the ball almost as far as I do (well, not quite) yet he has a short swing, due to limited mobility in his back, and the regular flex in his clubs helps give him his distance. I doubt he would load a stiffer shaft properly, where as I need a stiffer shaft because I have a longer, more athletic swing. Our fitting system takes swing length into account, as well as ability, ball trajectory, experience, age, accuracy, and of course average distance.

Even still, all the information we get is provided by the customer, and relies on their ability to accurately give their distances (most people think they hit it further than they do), as well as asess other information about their own swing, so it isn't fool-proof by any means.

Getting fit in person doesn't guarantee a good fit either though, it depends who's doing the fitting. The shops where I live are generally hopeless with custom fitting, there isn't a launch monitor in my whole city that I know of. When my dad got his irons fitted, they only adjusted length, nothing else, and got his flex from his swing speed. That was it.

I reckon I can fit online better than what my local shops do in person. However there is no substitute for an in-person fitting by a good, competent fitter, especially with a launch monitor.

The most important things are getting the length and flex right. A guy at my club got fitted by a local shop who adjusted his lies 2 degrees upright. Now he hooks everything. Most of us have learnt to swing with standard lies, and sometimes if you have them adjusted, you have to alter your swing or setup to fit the new lies. As soon as you do that, the tail is wagging the dog. You're fitting yourself to the club, not the other way around.

Agreed. My old Titleist 990 irons were made 2* upright when I was fitted, but now they are much to upright. With the swing of an average golfer changing day to day as long as you are not badly hooking/pushing every shot a standard lie should be fine to start with.

And so says Harvey Pennick... all the same I got fitted and even though I have been apt (especially lately) to hit some real stinkers, at least I do so with the clubhead hitting the ground squarely...can't blame the equipment one bit...

For Nike Irons Im completely standard and every fitting Ive done says 2 or 3 degrees flat!!.