Besides being a blade, what is the difference between the irons the pro's use and we use?
I heard it is a smaller sweet spot. If that is true, how does a smaller sweet spot help the pro's?
Generally the differance is the thickness of the shafts. Infact some pro's do use the same cavity back heads some of us use. Its generally the stiffer shafts they have
It can be alot or a little...some use pretty stock stuff and others have custom forgings at Japanese factories differing from even the stock line that they resemble (Tiger's muria forged irons)...some use blades, some use cavity backs, some have custom shafts, all are custom fitted, some tweak the lofts, shaft lenghts, lie angles, grip thickness, swingweight, frequency matched, total weight tweak, and on and on...one thing that used to happen was club sorting where the quality control expert at the factory would sort the best of the best and then sort again to perfectly match attributes of a set...
As far as the sweet spot, no matter the club it is about the size of an eraserhead...cavity backs are more consistent on off center hits, but still have the same sweet spot size...just feels like it is larger as off center hits are less penal...
How do pros do it? They are GOOOOOOOOODDDDD!!!! Really good, and some who don't get paid to golf are as well...never gamble with a guy who has a dime sized wear spot in the center of their irons...
yeah man pros are really good, they just make it look easy. but more pros are using cavity-backs rather than blades. but im pretty sure 90% are using forged clubs
Generally the differance is the thickness of the shafts.
I'm hoping that this was supposed to be stiffness, because there aren't different hosel sizes for "tour" and "non-tour" equipment.
b-n-r covered pretty much all of the answer, there, really. I just think that it is important to note that equipment is really just a teeny tiny bit of what goes into making a pro.
The major things are things that we all can, and should do. Make sure that the clubs are the right length, the correct lie, and the shafts are appropriate for our swings, and possibly change the weight. You get all those fitted for you, and you know that it isn't the equipment holding you back.
But, give a pro one of those all-in-one sets from Wallyworld, give him 30 or so balls to warm up and feel the set out with on the range, and watch them beat you by 10 strokes on your favorite course. The "they are good" saying cannot be overemphasized, really. They can hit the sweet spot time and time again, almost no matter how ill-fitted the club may be (obviously within reason).
And, this is why the pros have the touring vans -- because they can hit the center of the face consistently enough that when they change a shaft, they are looking for that slight difference in ball flight that the different shaft provides. They can tune in the perfect weight or flex or etc. of their clubs because they know their swings so well, and are so good at it, that they know what is best for them. That's the biggest difference that most of us don't have. They have all the options available to them, and they can dial in the exact ball behavior that they want. We can get close, but most of us don't have the resources or the swings to realize all the tiny changes that are possible.
I heard it is a smaller sweet spot. If that is true, how does a smaller sweet spot help the pro's?
The smaller sweet spot (or area of forgivingness) doesn't by itself help the pros one bit. Their typically smaller irons have more mass 'behind the ball', and that helps them hit the ball with a bit more 'oompf', consistency, and it offers them more control to curve the ball the way they want to (and can), at the expense of forgivingness (which they don't need). They want to have full control over their shots, they don't want the club to control their shot.
I'm hoping that this was supposed to be stiffness, because there aren't different hosel sizes for "tour" and "non-tour" equipment.
b-n-r covered pretty much all of the answer, there, really. I just think that it is important to note that equipment is really just a teeny tiny bit of what goes into making a pro.
The major things are things that we all can, and should do. Make sure that the clubs are the right length, the correct lie, and the shafts are appropriate for our swings, and possibly change the weight. You get all those fitted for you, and you know that it isn't the equipment holding you back.
But, give a pro one of those all-in-one sets from Wallyworld, give him 30 or so balls to warm up and feel the set out with on the range, and watch them beat you by 10 strokes on your favorite course. The "they are good" saying cannot be overemphasized, really. They can hit the sweet spot time and time again, almost no matter how ill-fitted the club may be (obviously within reason).
And, this is why the pros have the touring vans -- because they can hit the center of the face consistently enough that when they change a shaft, they are looking for that slight difference in ball flight that the different shaft provides. They can tune in the perfect weight or flex or etc. of their clubs because they know their swings so well, and are so good at it, that they know what is best for them. That's the biggest difference that most of us don't have. They have all the options available to them, and they can dial in the exact ball behavior that they want. We can get close, but most of us don't have the resources or the swings to realize all the tiny changes that are possible.
There sure are different hosel sizes in various different irons and woods.
But there aren't different sizes for a "tour" driver and a "regular" driver. That would require a different shaft thickness. I didn't mention anything about woods and irons. And, our "regular" non-tour stuff has different thickness between the irons and woods, so that wouldn't have been a difference between the pro and non-pro stuff, anyway.
LBlack, I know that there are different hosel sizes for different clubs, like irons versus woods.
What the OP asked was is there is a difference between the equipment the touring pros use and we can buy,
The next responder said that the main difference was the thickness of the shafts (and I think he meant stiffness).
What the next responder was saying using the incorrect word is that the hosel diameter of the clubhead that is issued to a pro is different than the hosel diameter of a clubhead available for retail sale. I.e. the pro's irons are 0.390 instead of our regular 0.370.
And that's not correct. The pros irons are 0.370 just like ours. They don't use different diameter shafts in their clubs. There isn't a different diameter hosel for the same model driver head that you can buy in the shop or one that came out of the tour van. The weighting scheme and design and etc. may be different, but the shaft diameter is the same. That's what I've been saying.
Not that there aren't different shaft sizes, but that the differences aren't due to one being "pro" and the other being "regular".
Bignose; I believe what was posted was thickness, not diameter as you are talking about. There is a big difference between thickness and diameter. Two completely different things.
Cleaning lately from old fammilly things in my house I found Titleist blades glubs tour model 1975 UNPLAYED !
I am a 7 hcp trying to play now better in Athens (as my childhood dream) playing with old Powerbuild clubs. What to do I dont know now.
Trying to sale Titleist blade unplayed clubs or trying to play with them better than now and lets say spoil them if I dont do any better?