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Old May 2nd, 2005, 06:55 PM
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The Backswing

When moving from address to the halfway back "checkpoint" (Toe of club points to sky, shaft is pointing to target and is parallel to target line) do you guys feel that you keep your right elbow snug in your side (or just maybe a half inch gap, lower bicep snug in side), or do you just keep the upper bicep of your arm touching with a space between the body and elbow? I guess in terms of feel, when I keep the elbow tucked into my body it is like my right arm is piviting on my stationary elbow, and from the halfway point to the full backswing I feel a tighter shoulder coil (of course from halfway to full a small gap develops between by elbow and body.) When I allow a gap between the elbow and body (though still keeping the elbow "tucked in" I still seem to be able to get to the same halfway position as if I keep the elbow touching, the club is just maybe an inch or more farther away down the target line-I assume the same distance as the width between my body and right elbow.

I am just wondering if one of these is correct, or more correct than the other. It is from the halfway back point to the full backswing that I get a really different feel with each, the first method I feel a tight shoulder coil as I said above, and its also more restrictive. The second method feels maybe more natural but less consistant.
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Old May 3rd, 2005, 03:15 PM
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it's hard to tell exactly what you mean, but generally, elbows should be close to your body during the backswing.

certainly, if the method is not giving you a consistent swing, it's wrong.
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Old May 3rd, 2005, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by excerpts from Harvey's Little Red Book
If there is any such thing as a Magic Move in the golf swing, to me it is an action that I stress over and over on the practice tee and in this book.
You have heard it from me many times by now, but I will say it again - to start your downswing, let your weight shift to your left foot while bringing your right elbow back down to your body.
This is one move, not two.



When I say bring your right arm back to your side, I mean on the downswing - not the backswing.
Students come to me with all sorts of weird ideas they have been taught. They try to swing with a towel under their right armpit. Their right elbow is practically strapped to their body.
The result is a swing that is too short and flat.
Let your right elbow go back freely, but return it to your sidewhen you start back to the ball.
Hope this helps.

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Old May 3rd, 2005, 06:43 PM
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OUfan, I keep my right arm snug.

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when I keep the elbow tucked into my body it is like my right arm is piviting on my stationary elbow,
It may feel like it's pivoting on your stationery elbow, but if you do the motion slowly while watching in a mirror, it's just the natural rotation of your forearm as your upper arm rotates upward and backward from address.
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Old May 3rd, 2005, 10:38 PM
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Thanks for the advice guys..I guess I need to videotape myself and see if each movement puts me in the same position at the top.
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Old May 3rd, 2005, 11:05 PM
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Maybe skip the videotape, and go out early onto a course one morning alone and see which (if either) of the two methods lets you send a ball to your target better.
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Old May 4th, 2005, 12:15 AM
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Doesn't it seem there is more time spent on the backswing vs. the downswing? There are some pro's who have very awkward looking backswing's but they all seem to get in the proper position during the transfer back down. If they didn't,they wouldn't be pro's I suppose. lol.

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Old May 4th, 2005, 01:42 AM
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Doesn't it seem there is more time spent on the backswing vs. the downswing? There are some pro's who have very awkward looking backswing's but they all seem to get in the proper position during the transfer back down. If they didn't,they wouldn't be pro's I suppose. lol.

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I agree, but I know in my experiences the downswing falls into place much easier if I'm "in the slot" at the top and don't have to make any adjustments on the downswing. I still at times will have trouble initiating the downswing by just turning my hips toward the target and letting everything fall into place. Those darn hands like to get active too early!
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Old May 4th, 2005, 09:33 AM
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for me my backswing dictates my whole swing. As long as it is right the only part of my downswing that is not automatic is the release and that is getting pretty close. The backswing dictates my tempo and produces coil that makes the transition automatic.
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Old May 4th, 2005, 12:14 PM
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One question for everyone: when you start your backswing, do you 'feel' your right side or your left side?

I've been making a small swing change, and noticed that if I think of turning my right side away from the ball, sometimes I have a tendency to take the club inside. I remembered that Bobby Jones advocated focusing on your left side in the backswing ("the right side will try to take over and spoil the shot") and noticed I'm more consistent when thinking of the left side. Ben Crenshaw recommends pushing the putter back and pulling it through with the left hand. Anyone find that focusing on the left side works better?
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Old May 4th, 2005, 12:32 PM
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I focus on turning my left shoulder into my right knee. of coure I dont want to point it down towards my knee but my thinking of this does not cause me to do so. pushing my left shoulder back rather then pulling might not cause as much coil in the backswing. Cant imgine that it would be good to pull the right shoulder into the right leg on the backswing.
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