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Old March 20th, 2006, 08:46 PM
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Hip turn...John Daly on Golf Channel...

Most everything I am reading lately is a restricted hip turn of 15*. Tonight, Daly was talking about the hip turn back to the ball that he and his god-son (and many other pros) have.

What is correct?? Less or more hip turn?
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Old March 21st, 2006, 08:04 AM
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Most everything I am reading lately is a restricted hip turn of 15*. Tonight, Daly was talking about the hip turn back to the ball that he and his god-son (and many other pros) have.

What is correct?? Less or more hip turn?
I watched him last night and he definitely was showing quite a bit of hip turn, almost as much as Bobby Jones. Personally, I don't think too many people could make a full shoulder turn with only 15 deg of hip turn. I know I sure couldn't. Maybe the young, thin kids could but I think even they would be hard pressed to do it. A 90 deg shoulder turn with 15 deg hip turn = huge torque. Not sure it would be good for the bod.
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Old March 21st, 2006, 01:19 PM
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A 90 deg shoulder turn with 15 deg hip turn = huge torque. Not sure it would be good for the bod.
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Huge torgque, bad for the bod, good for power. I agree, leave to the kids.
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Old March 21st, 2006, 01:45 PM
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I watched him last night and he definitely was showing quite a bit of hip turn, almost as much as Bobby Jones. Personally, I don't think too many people could make a full shoulder turn with only 15 deg of hip turn. I know I sure couldn't. Maybe the young, thin kids could but I think even they would be hard pressed to do it. A 90 deg shoulder turn with 15 deg hip turn = huge torque. Not sure it would be good for the bod.
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It's probably not "bad" on the body assuming you are at a fitness level necessary to executing the move without pain to tightness. I am working on cutting down my hip turn and increasing my upper body turn independently. I could make a big shoulder turn when my hips went 30-45 degrees. Unfortunately when I cut the hip turn to 15 or 20 degrees my shoulder turn is severely limited. In order to facilitate the move I want I've got to improve my flexibility and strength quite a bit.
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Old March 21st, 2006, 03:05 PM
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Most everything I am reading lately is a restricted hip turn of 15*. Tonight, Daly was talking about the hip turn back to the ball that he and his god-son (and many other pros) have.

What is correct?? Less or more hip turn?
Generally speaking for the modern golf swing the goal is to restrict hip turn while maximizing shoulder turn. The difference between hip turn and shoulder turn is called "The X Factor". By a lot of so called experts the goal is about a 45 degree difference between hip turn and should turn. Meaning if your turn your shoulders 90 degrees your hip turn should be about 45 degrees.

In my opinion golfers differ in the the flexibility of their shoulders and their hips as well as their core strength. The stronger your core muscles the more you can resist the turning of your hips. I'm also of the opinion that too much of the resisting of hip turn can put a strain on your back. I think individual golfers have to find a "happy medium" in terms of what works for them.
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Old March 21st, 2006, 03:13 PM
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ce me golf is wise....

To add to the "X factor" theory, there must be resistant between the hips & shoulders. The only way to achieve this is use the newer style swing rather than the classic (Payne Stewart-like) swing. That means keep your left foot planted & over 1/2 your weight on that left side during the swing. Never go on the toe w/the left foot transferring most of your weight to the right side. This is what causes the resistance between the hips & shoulders.

Flexibilty is key here.
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 03:45 PM
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If you guys look at some of the bombers out there (ie VJ, Bubba Watson, JB Holmes, JD) they do not restrict their hip turn nor do they have back problems. Also, they're swings seem to be very rhythmical and smooth.
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 04:36 PM
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If you guys look at some of the bombers out there (ie VJ, Bubba Watson, JB Holmes, JD) they do not restrict their hip turn nor do they have back problems. Also, they're swings seem to be very rhythmical and smooth.
I won't argue about style of either J.B. Holmes or Bubba, both guys are making huge shoulder turns to get their power. You'll also notice that lately when V.J Singh swing he's always seems to leaning to either the right or left. One of the consequences of his more active lower body IS LESS BALANCE. However, none of these guys is actively turning their hips to the left. By "restrict" I don't mean no hip turn but you are not actively turning your hips to the left either. You can get away more hip turn if you are making a bigger shoulder turn. The important this is the "X Factor" the difference between hip turn and shoulder turn is in the nieghborhood of 45 degrees or more. Phil Nickelson as has a big hip turn but he also has a huge shoulder turn and even lifts his heel, his swing style is more "Classic" than "Modern".
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Old March 25th, 2006, 03:45 AM
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leave it to the kids. even if you can do it,you need really good temple and most you can't "hit," you have to allow the natural uncoiling of the body to take place at slot,and than snap the arms and hands. too much timing and rythem for me.
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