yesterday, my third shot , 20 yards from a green that is elevated 20 feet...i am on rock hard dry turf w minimal grass , my practice swings cannot make any sort of divot...ground is too dry and hard...
my results w a sand wedge : chunk! a few practice swings later ...could get on green but never w any loft or arc to stop ball... ideas?
Well since you really can't get under the ball, you'll really need to make sure the bounce of the wedge doesn't work to your disadvantage. The part that makes this a tougher shot it that the green is elevated by 20 feet. If it were me, I would play it back in my stance a bit, and use my sand or L wedge to hit down into the back of the ball with some force, to try and get it up in the air and to the green. It's not going to fly super high, but it should get there and have some spin to help stop it. I really can't think of any other creative way of playing this shot. You can't open the club face and try to lob it in, because you can't get under the ball and you'll just blade it. Maybe some of the others will have some ideas too.
I acutally might have used a fairway wood and tried to run it up there. That's the only real thing I can think about without a pin location detail. If the pin was in the back then I would just take a 7 iron and put the ball back in my stance and punch it up there.
i would just use the 7 iron i guess and hit it.
What i also do alot is just get a SW and take a steep swing and dont take any follow through, almost dig the club in the ground, the ball should get some height from that shot and still spin pretty good.
Tough shot...
Open stance, ball centered, low bounce lob wedge opened up, hands even with the ball, perfect swing cutting just a bit and fingers crossed...big margin for error, but it is possible to hit a lob shot off of hardpan, just tricky...ssssoooofffftttt hands with a smooth swing with follow through...
Tough shot...
Open stance, ball centered, low bounce lob wedge opened wide up, perfect swing cutting just a bit and fingers crossed...
I'd be worried to try this shot out of this kind of lie. Even if you have a lower bounce lob wedge, once you open the face, you expose a lot more of the bounce and chances are that club will bounce off the ground behind the ball, and you'll blade it like a rocket. Of a normal lie, that this would be one of my favorite shots from this position. Nice high lob, a la Phil, but the compact lie makes it dangerous in this instance.
I'd be worried to try this shot out of this kind of lie. Even if you have a lower bounce lob wedge, once you open the face, you expose a lot more of the bounce and chances are that club will bounce off the ground behind the ball, and you'll blade it like a rocket. Of a normal lie, that this would be one of my favorite shots from this position. Nice high lob, a la Phil, but the compact lie makes it dangerous in this instance.
Exactly. Given what we know: A 20 yard shot off of hardpan onto a green that is raised 20 feet is basically impossible with any sort of wedge. really, the only shot that may get the job done is a fairway wood/rescue bump and run up that slope. Takes some skill/luck though.
Like gdel said, you might be able to jam a sand wedge down into the back of it, with no follow through, and have it fly up there, but even that would be tricky. Glad I don't have to hit this shot very often.
Well since you really can't get under the ball, you'll really need to make sure the bounce of the wedge doesn't work to your disadvantage. The part that makes this a tougher shot it that the green is elevated by 20 feet. If it were me, I would play it back in my stance a bit, and use my sand or L wedge to hit down into the back of the ball with some force, to try and get it up in the air and to the green. It's not going to fly super high, but it should get there and have some spin to help stop it. I really can't think of any other creative way of playing this shot. You can't open the club face and try to lob it in, because you can't get under the ball and you'll just blade it. Maybe some of the others will have some ideas too.
thats what my first thought would be if i ended up with this shot...as far as getting it reasonably close, i think that would be the best option..but sometimes you just have to take your medicine so the smart play might be to take a 9 iron or less and hit somewhat of a bump and run. Its easier to make good contact from this lie with a 7 iron than a SW or LW.
What about hitting some kind of wedge hard into the front of the up slope of the green and letting it bouce up insteat of out and then release onto the green. Its the only way to get it close IMO.
Last edited by Hacker100000 : August 23rd, 2006 at 02:57 AM.
Only a select few touring pros would even attempt that high shot with a SW or LW, no matter where the pin is cut. Hard pan lies typically equal a lot of over spin, not back spin, especially for us mere mortals.
Idealy, I would take a 9iron and play a bump-n-run type shot, using that club with a very similar technique as my putting stroke, just with a lower lofted club. Worst-case scenario with a so-so shot is you have a long putt. Worst case scenario with a wedge is? The same shot again but 5 yards closer. LOL....
I am surprised so many would be hitting high loft clubs. If I dont have a carry and I can pitch and run on fairway, then it is the low running shot absolutely every time. Normally I accept you guys in the US dont play this due to the grass, but it the ground was as hard as described, this excuse holds no water whatsoever.
If the ground was as hard as described, I would suggest going even further than a 7 iron... a 5 iron in hand and you are basically playing it like a long putt, not a pitch. Hopefully I dont need to remind everyone the old adage about comparing a chip to a putt!
i like the advice of the rescue or FW bump and run, or maybe a low iron bump and run....i would have about 25 yards to a front left pin...
later , w some practice swings that day , what worked ( got me on the green ) was a very steep stab at it with the pw, it came out low and essentially because of the lie and the swing , was like a low lofted attempt...something like Gdel and Mizzou talked about above...
i am a ways away from using a pick or a lob on this Bigvivec....!
August 21st, 2006, 01:15 PM
yesterday, my third shot , 20 yards from a green that is elevated 20 feet...i am on rock hard dry turf w minimal grass , my practice swings cannot make any sort of divot...ground is too dry and hard...
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