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The first move I do is shifting my hip left. So far it works quite well in triggering the uncoil action upward. Some said started with left knee, some said the right knee but neither worked for me as they increased inconsistency.

What do you do?

You talkin' about takeaway or downswing?

Shade

Sorry... downswing I meant. That's why I mentioned uncoil. Should've changed the subject to make it clear. But I couldn't find a way to do so...

I missed the "uncoil" part, sorry. Fixed your title, if that's ok. Ever since I read Harvey Penick's teaching about the "magic move" it's been my trigger. The magic move is to bring the right elbow back to back to the right side/ribcage then everything else follows...I'm sure you can google it and find it on the internet or go get the Little Red Book, you won't be sorry for purchasing it. In fact, you can probably search the GR database and find discussion on it.

Shade

Thanks for the fix. Only GR team can revise the title I guess?!

Also thanks for the pointer to "magic move". I'll search a study a bit on it.

For now I have a bit doubt on it as the "trigger point" is quite high. I would've thought that a ground-up triggering action would be the best. But for now I'm curious about various ways to trigger a downswing and try to experiment myself.

Tiger seems to start it with his hip too but I could be wrong (and would love to hear the truths).

Ralph - "First you have to address the ball"
Norton - "hey ball, how ya doin ?"

Sorry I couldn't come up with anything family-friendly for initiating a downswing. I know it's something at waist level or below, but if I gave it too much thought I probably wouldn't even make contact.

I'm worried that if I initiate it with my leg or lower body that my hips will outrace my arms too much. Comments?

^^^ thats why Tiger pushes it right so many times and hes tree hunting, i just let the club fall down the line from the inside and turn through the shot

Ralph - "First you have to address the ball."
Norton - "Helloooooooooo ball."

Sorry, I had to correct you Waz.

I've never heard anything except that the lower nody MUST initiate the downswing. So, what's deal with the "magic move?". I don't understand how a right elbow can initiate.
Thanks.

I appreciate it. It's a classic !

I think if you allow the sequence to happen naturally without forcing it (esp. shoulders or hands), such problem will not occur. Also, if the torso is coiled, it'll couple tightly with hip and follow any move of hip closely. I used to have shoulder initiated downswing and more slice due to shoulders turning way faster than arms and hands. Now since the turing sequence happens naturally, conditions of outrace rarely creep up.

I think that's just a swing thought so the arms don't get left behind. I could be wrong though, but that's just what it sounds like to me.

My latest key as I hadnt played for 10 days was to pull my left knee back gently and this seems to work 40% of the time (its an old key from when I was a junior). I do however get pushes and minor hooks if I dont get the timing right.

I found the following article very helpful and the times that I have used these keys on the practice field I have hit some wonderful 6 irons shots with a gentle draw. I havent had the chance to take it onto the course yet as I have not worked on it enough and cannot do it consistantly. I am looking forward to the time I can.

http://www.golfdigest.com/instructio...tie_intro.html

Stu

I like to have a little bit of a pause at the top of my backswing. That seems to help set everything and puts things into place for the downswing.

I start with the left hip bump then everything from the ground up unwinds. I wont out race my arms if i stay down and actually see the ball come off the clubface.