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Old November 3rd, 2006, 06:35 AM
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The Laterals are back!

Anyone got any tips for curing a bout of the laterals?? Since i got my new irons and hit the range the old problem has reappeared. Its not the clubs as i'm also doing it with the old ones on the range. I feel it may be my balance or weight transfer. Seem to hit ok with feet together so i reckon its either overflexing of knees/leaning in at impact or something equally obvious. Seem to be ok on the course strangely!! Time to see the pro again perhaps!
Must be linked to my dislike of range matts as discussed in other threads. Any further tips/drills/cures
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 08:42 AM
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Well the hosel rocket is caused by the clubhead being farther away from your body at impact, than it was at address. So, you're doing something to make your arms get disconnected from your body. Usually three things cause a hosel rocket.

1. A severe inside to out swing (because you're trying so hard to swing inside to out that you're pushing the club away from you).

2. A severe outside to in swing (because you're coming from so far outside of the ball, the hosel meets the ball first).

3. Loss of spine angle. If you set up to the ball, and then lose your spine angle sometime through the swing. More than likely your shoulders are going foward (hence: losing your swing angle) and making everything move out away from your body just a little. If you try it, stand at address and then lower your shoulders a little. You'll see that it pushed the clubhead out away from the ball.

Or it could be a combination of these really. Probably best to see a pro.
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 04:00 PM
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it may not necessarily be a hosel rocket, i fight this from time to time and have actually watched the ball leave the middle of the club face and go almost dead right. most of the time the reason the face was wide open was because the timing is slightly off and the release is very delayed (rushing the swing), sometimes at the range it happens after i have swung the driver many times in a row and certain back muscles get tired and all irons will go right, way right.

when this happens, slow the swing down and concentrate on releasing your right arm over the left. it will help you get back on track and become less frequent.
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 05:43 PM
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it may not necessarily be a hosel rocket, i fight this from time to time and have actually watched the ball leave the middle of the club face and go almost dead right. most of the time the reason the face was wide open was because the timing is slightly off and the release is very delayed (rushing the swing), sometimes at the range it happens after i have swung the driver many times in a row and certain back muscles get tired and all irons will go right, way right.

when this happens, slow the swing down and concentrate on releasing your right arm over the left. it will help you get back on track and become less frequent.

That is the general thought of most people, that when their ball does this, it's because of an open clubface, when in fact it is not. If you think about what you're saying, for the ball to go laterally to your intended target and NOT hit the hosel, you would have to have one messed up swing with a super severe open clubface at impact (I doubt you have that messed up of a swing or that open of a clubface being a 13 handicap). To have a clubface that open to actually get a lateral shot, you would be leading into the ball with the hosel anyway, so you'll still hit the hosel. It's just not possible to have a lateral happen and hit the center of the clubface.
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 07:14 PM
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Put a shoebox or something similar about a quarter of an inch outside the ball when you are on the range. This will force you to drop the club inside so that you dont hit the shoebox. Do this until it becomes habit to drop the club in the slot. This will fix it unless you are coming from to far inside which is rarely ever the case.
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 07:32 PM
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That is the general thought of most people, that when their ball does this, it's because of an open clubface, when in fact it is not. If you think about what you're saying, for the ball to go laterally to your intended target and NOT hit the hosel, you would have to have one messed up swing with a super severe open clubface at impact (I doubt you have that messed up of a swing or that open of a clubface being a 13 handicap). To have a clubface that open to actually get a lateral shot, you would be leading into the ball with the hosel anyway, so you'll still hit the hosel. It's just not possible to have a lateral happen and hit the center of the clubface.
i know it sounds crazy and almost impossible, and fortunately it very rarely happens, but a couple of times a year (360 down here ) it creeps in. generally, contact with the ball is on the thin side and have caught myself manytimes with the handle way out in front with the face open. this drives me nuts (i am anyways ) but have learned how to fix it as mentioned above.

any other thoughts, i'm more than open to.
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 08:07 PM
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i know it sounds crazy and almost impossible, and fortunately it very rarely happens, but a couple of times a year (360 down here ) it creeps in. generally, contact with the ball is on the thin side and have caught myself manytimes with the handle way out in front with the face open. this drives me nuts (i am anyways ) but have learned how to fix it as mentioned above.

any other thoughts, i'm more than open to.

Nope, no more thoughts. But if you start doing it again, get it on camera cause I gotta see it!
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 08:39 PM
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Nope, no more thoughts. But if you start doing it again, get it on camera cause I gotta see it!
tough enough to go through that agony as it is. now you want me to watch it too?
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Old November 6th, 2006, 06:14 AM
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Thanks for the info guys,

Its def a poblem with me and the range and those pesky mats. Went out sat not expecting anything (other than walking off the course if it went like the range) and shot a personal best of 75 breaking my last best by 5 shots. Was striking the new MP32's really nicely and hit alot of GIR. Not the longest course but finally reached my goal this year which was too shoot a round in the 70's as previous best was 80. Finally it seems all facets of the game were atleast decent on the same day Also played Sunday and shot 84 on a longer course, did'nt strike the irons aswell but still encouraging. Will just have to avoid the range over winter and practice putting/wedges when i can.

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Old November 6th, 2006, 01:21 PM
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it may not necessarily be a hosel rocket, i fight this from time to time and have actually watched the ball leave the middle of the club face and go almost dead right. most of the time the reason the face was wide open was because the timing is slightly off and the release is very delayed (rushing the swing), sometimes at the range it happens after i have swung the driver many times in a row and certain back muscles get tired and all irons will go right, way right.

when this happens, slow the swing down and concentrate on releasing your right arm over the left. it will help you get back on track and become less frequent.
For the ball to go straight right, you must have a severe inside out swing path and an open clubface. Literary lateral? I don't think so.
You can quite easily find out if it's a hosel rocket by fixing some paper tape on the clubface to found out where the ball meets the clubface.
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Old November 9th, 2006, 02:07 PM
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For the ball to go straight right, you must have a severe inside out swing path and an open clubface. Literary lateral? I don't think so.
You can quite easily find out if it's a hosel rocket by fixing some paper tape on the clubface to found out where the ball meets the clubface.
i know, sounds impossible. when this does happen, the ball doesn't go straight right off the tee or ground, it may start a low, push right about 20 to 40 yards or so, then turn right.
but, i can tell you this, it is not a hosel rocket. they have their own impeccable "thack" sound when struck there. if i hit anywhere outside the middle of the face, it's usually more towards the toe.
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Old November 9th, 2006, 10:12 PM
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Do you guys realize the bad luck, bad karma, etc you're spreading here? Do you not realize that El Hosel is highly contageous and is spread by talking about it? I've had to go wash my wedges after reading this thread!!!!!!
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Old November 10th, 2006, 09:28 AM
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Do you guys realize the bad luck, bad karma, etc you're spreading here? Do you not realize that El Hosel is highly contageous and is spread by talking about it? I've had to go wash my wedges after reading this thread!!!!!!
you know, that's a great idea! very funny too!
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