You get a quite a few model swings once you purchase the software. For the "home" analyst, cSwing is only about $149 with 41 model swings which makes it very affordable and it is easy to use as well.
Also, I have some top instructor friends and caddies that have provided me with some of the other PGA Tour swings as well.
Deron: you asked about the effects of not making a full shoulder turn, and you noted that you are coming into the ball under your setup plane. What I see is that your swing is too steep coming down. I think that if you make more of a shoulder turn, and swing more "around your body", you would flatten out your forward swing, and that should help some. And I agree with Nikerep, you are too bent over at address. Too much knee bend. You also asked about your hips being too far toward the target at impact. I don't see that at all, nothing wrong with moving you hips forward a few inches coming into impact. That's how you transfer your weight to the left. Your backswing might be a bit long for hitting an iron, but there's nothing wrong with a little bend in your left arm. Interesting photo, nice work guys.
Deron: you asked about the effects of not making a full shoulder turn, and you noted that you are coming into the ball under your setup plane. What I see is that your swing is too steep coming down. I think that if you make more of a shoulder turn, and swing more "around your body", you would flatten out your forward swing, and that should help some. And I agree with Nikerep, you are too bent over at address. Too much knee bend. You also asked about your hips being too far toward the target at impact. I don't see that at all, nothing wrong with moving you hips forward a few inches coming into impact. That's how you transfer your weight to the left. Your backswing might be a bit long for hitting an iron, but there's nothing wrong with a little bend in your left arm. Interesting photo, nice work guys.
Oh really? So with you seeing me coming to steep into the ball, are you going by the video or the stills? I've always thought I came to far from the inside, but maybe that's the error in my thinking? For example, in the still shot of impact, you can see my club is under the plane that it initially started on. Here are the video if you didn't catch them the first time: Video of my 7iron & Driver swing
Thanks for your thoughts on everything else. I've been trying to correct my posture and weight distribution a little, so it's not on my heels as JC pointed out. I mearly getting my weight on the balls of my feet will fix the whole posture/knees bent stuff. I'm bending to much in knees right now and to bent over because my weight is on my heels and I'm probably farther from the ball that I would be if I had my weight correct, thus I'm bent over.
What about the reverse C that NikeRep was talking about? I've always thought you get the reverse C position from a reverse pivot where your weight is on your back foot at finish rather than transfered to your front. You can clearly see I've transfered my weight to my front foot.
What about the reverse C that NikeRep was talking about? I've always thought you get the reverse C position from a reverse pivot where your weight is on your back foot at finish rather than transfered to your front. You can clearly see I've transfered my weight to my front foot.
Reverse C and reverse pivot are two different things. Reverse pivot is when you finish with most of your weight on your back foot (right foot if you are right handed)
Reverse C is when your weight has been transfered to the left but your head (correctly) remains behind the ball at impact.
See a definition I found on the internet: reverse C
a finish position to the full swing where the hips are dramatically thrust out toward the target and the head is leaning back with the spine also arched backward (when a right-handed golfer gets into this position it resembles a mirror, or reversed, image of the letter C -- thus the name)
Example: A reverse C finish was popular in earlier eras and is generally not recommended these days, as it's hard on the spine.
Just to point out that most golf instruction these days don't recomend it because it may damage the spine.
Reverse C and reverse pivot are two different things. Reverse pivot is when you finish with most of your weight on your back foot (right foot if you are right handed)
Reverse C is when your weight has been transfered to the left but your head (correctly) remains behind the ball at impact.
See a definition I found on the internet: reverse C
a finish position to the full swing where the hips are dramatically thrust out toward the target and the head is leaning back with the spine also arched backward (when a right-handed golfer gets into this position it resembles a mirror, or reversed, image of the letter C -- thus the name)
Example: A reverse C finish was popular in earlier eras and is generally not recommended these days, as it's hard on the spine.
Just to point out that most golf instruction these days don't recomend it because it may damage the spine.
Ah, I got ya. I knew what a reverse pivot was but one website I read said that the reverse C finish is a direct result of the reverse pivot meaning that when you finish your weight is on your right foot (right handers) and it looks like a reverse C as to how to body is arched with your weight on the back foot.
Ah, I got ya. I knew what a reverse pivot was but one website I read said that the reverse C finish is a direct result of the reverse pivot meaning that when you finish your weight is on your right foot (right handers) and it looks like a reverse C as to how to body is arched with your weight on the back foot.
That is pretty steep considering the Leadibetter Interactive is only $99 with the instructional dvds as well.
Both of the packages we use are geared for professional instruction. The Leadbetter package is geared toward home users and is used as a vehicle for the fee based Leadbetter online academy. Our software will also control up to four cameras and has many professional evaluation features not found on Leadbetter Interactive.
Considering Leadbetter doesn't even use his own product in teaching...it is what it is.
Oh really? So with you seeing me coming to steep into the ball, are you going by the video or the stills? I've always thought I came to far from the inside, but maybe that's the error in my thinking? For example, in the still shot of impact, you can see my club is under the plane that it initially started on. .
Deron: I only looked at the stills, as I have dial up and it takes half a day to download videos on my computer. What I was going by was the angle of the shaft at setup, and the angle of the shaft coming back to the ball. If you look at that angle, you should notice that the shaft is much more vertical coming back to impact, then it was at address. This has nothing to do with coming from the inside or not, it's just about the angle of the shaft. Most golfers that have a lot of arm swing, and not enough body turn, will tend to swing too steeply, but that doesn't mean they can't make a inside to out swing, it's just not real likely to be the case. If you make more of a body turn, and turn "around" your body more, you should flatten out your swing, which should help you hit the ball higher off the tee with your woods, which is a good thing. A flatter swing should increase your launch angle with your driver, with less backspin, and get you more distance. When your swing is to steep with the driver, you tend to hit down on the ball some, you "slide" the club under the ball, you increase backspin, and you bring the hated "SKY ball" into play. You may have noticed a lot of guys say they don't like to tee the ball up high, as it causes them to hit a SKY ball. Well, the tee height didn't cause that, a too steep swing did. Tee the ball high, and make contact on the "up" swing, NOt the "Down" swing, and you can forget about a "SKY" ball, and just watch the ball fly long and high down the fairway.
November 14th, 2006, 04:06 PM
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