this is my worst swing flaw , after half a bucket , i tend to correct it! but what do you guys know as the easiest swing thought to do immediately.... to never have this swing again!
this is my worst swing flaw , after half a bucket , i tend to correct it! but what do you guys know as the easiest swing thought to do immediately.... to never have this swing again!
Okay, Jake ... here's what my pro has me doing to help me to eliminate the ol' outside in.
With either your 8 or 9 iron, place a ball on the ground in front of you. Then tee a ball about 6-8 inches in front of the first ball. Address the original ball, then move that ball out of the way. Swing as if the original ball were still there, but hit the ball straight off the tee. This forces you to keep the club on the correct swing path. I've heard the phrase 'chasing the ball down the line' before, and this drill forces you to do that. Of course you can change to longer clubs once you get the feel for it with your short irons.
I've been doing this drill for a week now, and my swing path is dramatically improved. Hope it helps you as much as it has helped me.
this is my worst swing flaw , after half a bucket , i tend to correct it! but what do you guys know as the easiest swing thought to do immediately.... to never have this swing again!
1 You want the 'reverse K' setup shown on the left.
2 At the start of the back-swing, take the hands back parallel to the target line (when you go to far to the inside on the way up, you will go o.t.t. on the way down: this is what you want to avoid). I made up the following drill, which has helped me to engrain this. Take your golf-stance facing a wall, without a club, and simulate a grip by grabbing your left thumb with your right hand fingers (I am writing this for a right-handed golfer). Move up until your righthand thumb is against the wall, and start your backswing. Your right thumb should move against the wall for a while (about a foot), not go 'inside' immediately.
...maybe you might be able to use this swing thought. When you begin your back swing, hold your balance (no major swaying). As you reach your transition point (top of the back swing) feel as if your back is facing the target (it should be). The thought at this point is to feel your right elbow brushing your right side as you deliver or pull the club handle toward the ball.
If you complete your back turn and allow your elbows to stay somewhat close to your body (your core) than you CAN"T swing outside-in. This fix will feel very weird at first, you may feel as if you are not using enough of your power but in fact you will be using more.
So the thought....complete a full back swing and keep my elbows close as I hit it. Let me know if it works for you, it has worked for many of my students over the last five years.
Keep it on the short grass and good luck.
Last edited by veedubb : March 15th, 2007 at 01:28 PM.
I do not agree with straightshooter about his second part though. An over the top move is NOT because of an underplane move in the backswing. It does sometimes have a correlation between the two but not necessarily a direct connection.
I do not agree with straightshooter about his second part though. An over the top move is NOT because of an underplane move in the backswing. It does sometimes have a correlation between the two but not necessarily a direct connection.
I worded that part a bit strongly! Of course, without seeing Jake's swing I really shouldn't give him any tips at all! But he asked, and I complied!
I worded that part a bit strongly! Of course, without seeing Jake's swing I really shouldn't give him any tips at all! But he asked, and I complied!
No problem m8. I understand wanting to help someone eagarly. I don't really fault you because I know what you're saying and it's intention. For a lot of cases you'd be right to point it out. I think it would offer a great discussion about what the link between backswing and forward swing really is.
This may just be my belief but I have found it to be quite true. Your backswing is only an early reflection of your intention on the forward swing. I see people all the time with a flat backswing and a flat forward swing. I see people with a steep backswing and a flat forward swing. I take it back halfway fairly flat, then lift to complete my backswing, then on the forward swing I'm dead center on the turned shoulder plane.
IMO, the backswing does not dictate the forward swing. But the intention of the forward swing dictates how the backswing will be made. It's important to know though that each person is going to do it differently to generate their intention.
Swing no harder than that which allows you to keep your balance and feel. And make sure your weight transfers. I've found I tend to cast the club when I'm tired and I'm not firing all the way to my left side.
yes, i think it may even vary with type of club, I used straightshooter's advice about taking it back along target line with my irons! and did much better! thanks! but with driver , woods and hybrids it is a different end result .
not sure why, but may have somethng to do with final wrist position left hand at top of backswing....
yes, i think it may even vary with type of club, I used straightshooter's advice about taking it back along target line with my irons! and did much better! thanks! but with driver , woods and hybrids it is a different end result .
For the longer shafted clubs like the driver & fairway woods, it's near impossible to go straight back more than a few inches without contorting yourself. The flatter swing plane of these clubs necessitates that they take a more inside path. I've found a helpful swing thought for these clubs to be to keep my hands away from my head. Maintain a wide arc on your backswing and you'll naturally return the ball on a more inside line on the downswing.
yeah, i think i am getting it, worked on it a lot yesterday,
i think Ironhands is, in a way ,saying the same thing as Straightshooter, and also, this is a way to ensure good left shoulder turn....which i think makes a difference combating this...
Im a lefty, so reverse everything, For me the best way to correct this is to make sure at address that my left should is a little lower, my left elbow is slightly broken and just touching against my left hip. With my right hand at a straight, address position.
Swing thought - think of your self as the wounded bird with one broken wing. This keeps your swinging arm in control of the swing.
I got to experience the outside-in hassle earlier this week, when the ranges here finally opened( im in Norway), and i sneaked out on the grass and irons ranging from 8-4, this gave me valuable feedback when seeing all my divots pointing left(i am right handed). I then tried having the backswing abit more on the inside and perhaps more shallow, then at the downswing, i try to concentrate on having my core controlling my bodyturn and weight-transfer abit more than usual, and that led to close to straight divots.
Also a feeling i try to experience is having my arms just following my swing, a feeling like they only follow since they are connected to my body.. My mantra is," turn, weight-transfer and forget the arms, the will follow ayways"
March 14th, 2007, 11:07 AM
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