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Old April 29th, 2007, 04:48 PM
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My Swing... Help NEEDED!!

This is me hitting balls with an old Wilson Staff 5-iron. I hit them to the right and very high for a 5-iron, I don't get much distance in return. Any tips or advices are needed.
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YouTube - My Swing 5-Iron
-thanks (Sorry for the video being dark)
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Old April 29th, 2007, 04:53 PM
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Do the balls slice (curve) to the right, or do they fly straight right?
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Old April 29th, 2007, 05:02 PM
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The mostly take off just dead right but they also curve slightly, but the main point is they initially leave the clubface to the right. In the video that I put a link of, you can see the ball take off pretty well, and it takes off right.
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Old April 29th, 2007, 06:01 PM
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I liked your action, despite the bad results: It somehow looks like you are trying to hit some sort of trouble shot on purpose. I watched the video quite a few times, and unfortunately I wasn't able to figure out what is going wrong. When pausing the video I noticed that you get into some unusual positions on the downswing, but I am not sure what to tell you about fixing this. If you study the pictures frame by frame, you may be able to pick up some visual clues yourself much better than me, being the owner of the swing! Or you can just wait for some actually useful comments from other GR members!!
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Old April 29th, 2007, 06:20 PM
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This is the takeaway of swing #2...toe of the club should be pointing straight up, yours is clearly open here. You're taking the club away outside the line and hitting it with a cut swing. Open club face with a cut swing is going right for sure. Check the toe of the club at 9 o'clock to make sure it is pointing skyward and take the club away to the inside.

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Old April 29th, 2007, 07:33 PM
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Follow through, swing through the ball...maybe?
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Old April 29th, 2007, 07:58 PM
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Thanks so much for your time and all the great tips and advice, I really appreciate it.
-thanks
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Old April 29th, 2007, 08:57 PM
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You're taking the club away outside the line and hitting it with a cut swing. Open club face with a cut swing is going right for sure. Check the toe of the club at 9 o'clock to make sure it is pointing skyward and take the club away to the inside.
I think this advice is spot on. Shade, do you know of a way to freeze frames on youtube, and scroll through frames step by step? I seem to have no luck with this, having to resort to pressing the play/pause button twice in quick succession!
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Old April 29th, 2007, 09:04 PM
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You are coming over the top. In other words your down swing plane is shifted from outside to inside and if your club head was square to swing plane you would dead pull the ball. You've compensated as shaderunner pointed out by opening club face on backswing. This will cause ball to go to right with fade slice and added loft.

Take a short iron and hit 3/4 shots practicing lag and drag. Let the clubhead lag behind your hands on your first move down. Hesitating at to ma y help.Then hold that wrist cock as long as you can to the ball.

If you look at your view you will see the plane of of golf shaft is shifted well left of your body position.
If you can get back on plane with a drag and lag action the rest will fall into place. You look athletic and have good hand eye co-ordination to open the club face to compensate that once you get that OTT move fixed you should be fine.

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Old April 29th, 2007, 09:14 PM
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hello,
Thanks for the advice again. The most frusterating part is that my swing is worse now than it was last year. Last year in June, I could hit semi straight. Since it was me hitting better last time, I would like to know if this swing was better and if I should do now what I did last June? I don't know when or how my swing declined, but it somehow did.

YouTube - June 2006 Golf Shot 7-iron
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Old April 29th, 2007, 09:37 PM
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your swing plane is the same as the previous post however here you have hit a dead pull. This is a powerful shot however difficult to hit consistently What is different is here you have set up in a very closed stance allowing you to hit that full pull. Again you look very athletic and have great potential if you can clean up the swing plane issue.

Have you played baseball? If so make sure you stance is square to the pitcher and then think hitting a line drive to the second base side of the mound.

Another thought again baseball like baseball is to drag the clubhead (keeping the club head behind your hands on your first move down) pulling the knob of the shaft to the ball and let that arc past in front of you rather than around your left side. Do this at 1/2 speed with perhaps a 8 iron. When you can hit this shot about 100 yards with moderate trajectory with no push or pull and and no fade you are on your way
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Shade, do you know of a way to freeze frames on youtube, and scroll through frames step by step?
Nope, I just replay and pause till I get it where I want it...takes a few tries sometimes



This one shows nearly the same point in the takeaway...notice the toe of the club is actually closed here and you are taking it away more inside. But also notice the difference in posture (spine angle)...even though it's a 7I instead of 5I don't want to go back to hunkering over the ball. Your setup and spine angle look better now. Work on keeping the clubface square, take it back over your shoulder blades (might feel like your swinging flat) and deliver the clubhead to the ball from inside the target line with a square face...promotes a little draw.


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Old April 29th, 2007, 11:09 PM
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Shaderunner and I have pointed to 2 major flaws in your swing. I would encourage you to work at each of these but only one at a time. Be patient but it is worth it as I see many good things in your swing.

BTW how tall are you????
Are your clubs mens standard length?
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Old April 30th, 2007, 12:12 AM
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I'm not a swing expert or anything close to it. But with the 7 iron video you didn't get a full follow through. When I don't do full a follow through the ball does all sorts of things. And after the follow through your weight should be almost all on your left foot. You should be able to pick up your right foot easily. I don't think that would fix your problem but I'm just pointing that out.
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Old April 30th, 2007, 08:42 AM
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My 5-iron was from my grandfathers set and I just use it for practice. The 7-iron is from my "good" set and I will probable need new ones. They are shorter than standard length for some reason and I am around 6'2 maybe 6'1 in the 7-iron video from last year.
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