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denver173

With all the work I''ve done to get a reverse pivot out of my swing I wouldn't dare try it. On another forum that I frequent someone calls this swing a compound pivot rather than a reverse pivot. I don't need any more pivots in my swing.

Well, it is reverse pivot on the backswing. The only difference is when you do downswing, you don't move you wieght back to right foot. It completes the downswing on your left with reverse "C" position. It is very OLD style ( a,k,a Johnny Miller ) swing. But a few days I tried on the golf course, it is working very well. In fact, all the tips and instructions I've read from Golf Digest, nothing ever worked this well and this soon. Yes, I finally tried with Hybrids, woods and driver and it works with them too except Driver ball position is not in the middle of your stance. As someone said, the modern swing never worked for me ( Remember that RING or something Instruction that totally conflicts with S&T? I almost hurt myself imitating that ) so I've got nothing to lose but gain.. Hope you try!

I must read the articles before making up my mind.

The first comment is that it looks like Ray Floyd's swing with a bit of Jonny Miller thrown in.

I've never been comfortable with moving my head back so much as is taught today......it feels too complicated to get the timing right. So I'll look and see what this is all about. Anything that simplifies the swing is good for amateurs with little time to practice.

I think the Golf Digest instruction of this swing technique uses fuzzy and confusing language, some descriptions are just plain wrong or impossible, and other ideas are possible but inadvisable. But I like the idea of not moving off the ball (to the right for righties) on the backswing. By attempting to remain centered on the backswing, at least one can know whether one is doing it or not; you can measure it, which is the main requirement of a repeatable swing. In contrast, moving off center requires guesswork and extra control to get back to center (or do you stay off center?) and you can't really measure it in a practical way. Ok, maybe there is less tendency to come over the top when you move off and back onto the ball. You have to decide what is more important to you. I rejected moving offcenter a long time ago.

Staying on center is easier to measure, and therefore repeat, than the other way, but it is still not easy to measure if your head turns on the backswing. That's because the eyes are located far from the turning center which is close to the spine, so that when you turn your head your eyes move in a circle around the neck axis. Not everyone can make a backswing without turning the head, so what do head turners have to do to make sure they are centered. (First see if you can avoid head turning by holding the head up higher, where it belongs anyway). I would point out that you can make most of the backswing without turning the head. Use this as an opportunity to make a practice backswing, watching yourself in a window or mirror, and stop at the point where the head just starts to turn. Practice this move until you are staying centered. Then add the remaining part of the backswing and ignore apparant movement caused by your moving eyes. Or look in the mirror and turn your head before making a full backswing. In this case, the head should appear to stay in position exactly if it doesn't turn any further. Another way is to watch the top of one's head in the mirror. Then even if the head turns, the back of the top of the head should stay put.

Most of the advice in the Golf Digest article seems confusing or wrong.

The shoulder movement as described is partly impossible and partly inadvisable. Don't even think about shoulder tilt. Just keep spine angle (head hight) the same at least until impact. Again watch yourself in a mirror or window. Also make the spine as straight as possible at address.

Going inside on the backswing, as they advise, requires a loop to get back on the correct path. How much of a loop do you want? Any? Forget it. Take the club back neither inside nor outside. Or tell me the value of going inside.

"Spine vertical" makes no sense in itself. Confusing language.

"Weight shift" has no meaning because it confuses the feeling in the body with the body position. Forget about weight shifting or feelings of weight during the swing. Address the ball with equal weighting between the feet and then keep the head and hips centered on the backswing, allowing the foward heel to rise, then keep the head centered on the downswing. You do whatever it takes to accomplish this. If you can keep the head positioned in space in one place until impact, and your downswing swingplane is correct, and timing is correct, with a reasonable grip, you will hit good shots. A good way to accomplish most of this is to use my experimental downswing exercise, which you can find by a search in Golf Rewind, under the name "experimental downswing exercise." This also gives you a position at the top which you can use to find your backswing by reverse engineering.

steve long,

How can you call the S&T swing wrong? How could it be if it is working for me?
Maybe the swing is wrong for you and a few others, but it works for me.

IMO, the wording is correct. If what they say works, especially with the PGA Pro's using it,
then it cannot be wrong.

I played the front 9 yesterday at my local course. If I executed the swing the way it was worded
in GD, which I did most of the time, the ball flight was lower, longer, and straighter.

I will stay with this swing until I get it down, then I'll get deeper into the how's and why's of it all.

Until then, happy golfing with whatever swing you dig!

I have seen many golfers use this over the years, so it's not new. For a good ball striker, I will say that it looks very powerful. I tried it after reading the article and hit the ball very well. I was not however any longer on any club. My ball striking is very good to begin with so I see no need to make any change. Keep in mind also that every month in one of the Golf rags, some teaching Pro comes out with the "Fountain of Youth", as it were. (A.J. Bonard comes to mind). I just keep in mind the famous P.T. Barnum quote.

Do you guys who tried this swing just basically straighten your right leg during the swing without thinking about that left spine tilt?

Exactly, how many pictures of OLD pro swings have you seen with straight right leg? ( Sammy Snead is another one )

Gary Player.

Gary Player's Golf Swing

Click on the photos or right click, then "play"

I've used the S & T for years, but did not know there was a name for it. I was experimenting one day out of the heavy rough, which I had a lot of trouble hitting out of, and put my weight on the left side, to see what would happen, and swung. Worked like a charm. I found that it gave me a steeper angle of attack and I was able to get the ball out of the thick stuff with some decent distance, unlike before. I also use it in steep bunkers.

I tried it with regular lies but the ball flight was too low and I lost distance. I occasionally use it in a heavy wind to keep my ball flight down and get some roll. But other than that, I stick with the "normal" swing.

One more thing. I have a tendency of moving my head forward during downswing resulting in Slice and/or Low ball flight. I think it's caused by the modern swing ( moving head back ). If you share this tendency, you'd have a great success with S&T. Since your head is already forward ( a.k.a reverse swing ) you can no longer move your head forward during the down swing.

Btw, it's not giving me any more distance on a good hit but having crisp contact more often gives me more distance on the average.

IMO, added distance is a bonus. Crisp contact with the ball, preferrably in the sweet spot,
hitting it straighter and more towards your target area is the key to this stroke.

That is my reward.

I find that it works great on irons shots, but I need the weight transfer with a driver. Otherwise, it feels like I'm just slapping at the ball. I just do a little weight shift to the right leg on the backswing, but I always fight swaying back when I do that.

I tried it...and now i'm quitting it...hit it decent at the range with the stack and tilt, during the round played worse than I have in a while. S&T is not for me, add an H in there and that is more like it