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Old August 22nd, 2007, 12:04 PM
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Driving Par 5's in two?

How often do people ever ******* eagle even if they happen to drive a par 5 in two?

Normally even if you hit the green you still 2 putt. If u land on the fringe you hope for an up and down.

I can certainly see going for the green if it is a wide open easy hole with no hazards or out of bounds. However, it seems that any par 5 with a hazard or possible OB is much better played by laying up to about 100 yds of the green on the 2nd shot. Even if you're a skilled player.

Would skilled players agree or is aggressive the answer to becoming a scratch golfer?
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Old August 22nd, 2007, 12:43 PM
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Re: Driving Par 5's in two?

One just has to play to their strengths. Your chances are generally much better if you're on a par 5 in two to make birdie less if you lay up. Also if you are beside the green in two your chances are still better to get up and down for birdie. Eagles are not common but your chances for them are greater if you're putting for them than pitching for them. Again one has to play smart and look at the odds of bypassing trouble areas. I look at it as even if I hit water I still have a chance at up and down for par which doesn't hurt or bogie at worse. An eagle or birdie lowers the score. The main thing again is; if you don't feel comfortable, then don't go for it.
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Old August 22nd, 2007, 12:59 PM
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Re: Driving Par 5's in two?

I've made many eagles over the years I've played. Most have been chip ins from off the green, but usually close by. I have eagled every par 5 on my home course several times, I've eagled 2 par 3's (yeah... aced them), and one par 4 (holed out from 110 yards). The par 5's on my home course range from 510 to 550 yards, so I rarely actually hit the green in 2, but I get close enough for a reasonable chip or pitch, and that is the money shot.

That is why you PRACTICE the short game. Practice your chipping as much as you do your putting. If you have the length to get in the vicinity of most par 5 greens in 2, then you WILL make eagles if you have a solid short game.
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Old August 22nd, 2007, 04:58 PM
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Re: Driving Par 5's in two?

My rule as a 8 handicap (not a really skilled player) is that if I have to pull more than a 5 iron I lay up some times the lay up is only 115 yds but I make birdy or par much more often than I hit 3wd to the green and 2 putt. and the best part is that I take double out of play.
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Old August 22nd, 2007, 06:08 PM
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Re: Driving Par 5's in two?

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My rule as a 8 handicap (not a really skilled player) is that if I have to pull more than a 5 iron I lay up some times the lay up is only 115 yds but I make birdy or par much more often than I hit 3wd to the green and 2 putt. and the best part is that I take double out of play.
I can say that if I played with this attitude, I never would have eagled a par 5. My decisions are based on more information than just distance. I consider lie, hazards, wind, pin position, then I decide whether to go or not. But from 5W range or closer, rarely a doubt that I'm going for the green. I've made eagles hitting driver off the deck for my second shot... I'm sure not going to back off from a 4 iron.

And BTW, if you carry a legitimate 8 handicap, then then you have the skills to take some risks. I've never had lower than a 9.6 index, and I still have the skills needed to make an occasional eagle... even now at 60 years old and with a 12.2 index, I'm chipping for eagle once or twice a week... just not making the chips lately...
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Old August 22nd, 2007, 06:17 PM
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Re: Driving Par 5's in two?

I will go for it most of the time as long as there is no OB or water. A kid i played with in our invitational last week actually eagled number 6 which is a 515 yard par 5. He hit his 3 wood to about 5 feet and holed the put. It was an amazing second shot.
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Old August 23rd, 2007, 01:18 PM
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Re: Driving Par 5's in two?

I handicap around a 6, and have stopped going for the green in two for the most part...partly that has to do with the setup of my home course which features lots of trouble around the par 5 greens or just inaccessible (580 yds) on even my best days...I have found that while I can make the green in two, and on days that I am feeling my swing and playing aggressivley I will still take a shot, that the odds of birdie are better with a layup to my favorite wedge distances...lowers the odds of an eagle considerably, but I have taken 6 birdies on par 5s this week with this stragety; four on courses that I have never played before...for me it is risk/reward, and smart money opts for a good chance for birdie, and settling for par over a potential disaster such as dropping one in water, plugging in a bunker, hitting the sideslope of a green and barreling off into the woods (all have happened)...smart course management is tough for a dolt like me but I am working on it...
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Old August 23rd, 2007, 05:31 PM
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Re: Driving Par 5's in two?

I don't play many courses with reachable par 5's. With a 300 yard drive in the fairway, most of the time it's at the limit of being reachable. I'm not sure Driver, 3 Wood is the best way to attack a par 5. I'd want to work on my 3 wood off the deck a bit more before I try it too much.
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Old August 23rd, 2007, 05:42 PM
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I don't play many courses with reachable par 5's. With a 300 yard drive in the fairway, most of the time it's at the limit of being reachable. I'm not sure Driver, 3 Wood is the best way to attack a par 5. I'd want to work on my 3 wood off the deck a bit more before I try it too much.
Same here. I played a course a couple weeks ago that had a 480 yd par 5. I went for it in two but had to much fade on it and put it in the bunker on the right side.

My old home course has 2 par 5's that are easily reachable in 2. One is 501 from the tips but it has about a 40 ft drop off the tee so you can really cut loose on your shot. The other is 476 dogleft left but if you cut the dog leg you can easily get it in two. Last time I played I got to the first one in two and on the second one my 2nd shot rolled off the green but I still got my birdie.
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Old August 23rd, 2007, 05:57 PM
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Re: Driving Par 5's in two?

I'm a 14.6 right now, and if there's no major trouble around the green, and I can reach it, I'm going for it almost every time. I probably only get about 5 or 6 eagles a year, but I get alot more birdies by going for it than I do by laying up.
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Old August 23rd, 2007, 06:06 PM
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Re: Driving Par 5's in two?

I usually hit whatever club I neeed to get to 100 yards on my second shot. From there I can hit a full wedge and get it on easily. I usually get it pretty close. But thats for me because I have no distance :)
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Old August 23rd, 2007, 09:29 PM
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Re: Driving Par 5's in two?

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I'm a 14.6 right now, and if there's no major trouble around the green, and I can reach it, I'm going for it almost every time. I probably only get about 5 or 6 eagles a year, but I get alot more birdies by going for it than I do by laying up.
This pretty much sums it up for me. I have a "go for it" mentality, and it took a lot of play for me to learn that sometimes there's a better way. But if there is a reasonable chance, I'm going for the gusto....
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Old August 23rd, 2007, 10:03 PM
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Re: Driving Par 5's in two?

Go for it. Make sure your short game is in good shape so that you can still get up and down for birdie or par, and go for it. I figure taking advantage of par5's is like any other part of your game. You have to practice to get good at it. You can still play smart though. If you hit a bad drive and the ball isn't in a good location then change your game plan and lay up.
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Old August 23rd, 2007, 11:53 PM
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Re: Driving Par 5's in two?

You can usually get close enough to the pin, even from the sand, compared with a 100-yard wedge shot to merit going for the green in two.

In fact, unless there's water or a bunker in front of the green, or unless I can't get it inside of 50 yards, I never, ever lay up. I simply think the reward of a potential low score is worth the potential "penalty" of having to hit a chip shot instead of a full wedge.
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Old August 24th, 2007, 12:07 AM
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Re: Driving Par 5's in two?

i always have an aggressive mindset so not going for it is not an option...unless i got major problems with my lie, obstacles, etc.

i made an eagle at my school's team practice. i shot 2-under 35...1 eagle, 1 birdie, 1 bogey...i started with a bogey
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