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Old December 6th, 2007, 12:08 PM
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Need Opinions on range of HYbrids or FW Woods you carry

so I carry 17 and 23 degree hybrids, but i note my 5 wood is 18 degrees and a 7 wood is 21 degrees. first of all is this redundant and too much? and I am interested in how you guys set up your clubs in this range, ..........been thinking of one of those bobby jones hybrids that I believe go all the way to 28 degrees? kind of confusing.
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Old December 6th, 2007, 02:27 PM
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Re: Need Opinions on range of HYbrids or FW Woods you carry

First of all, I love the way that girl WAVES the flag.
As for hybrids and woods, the best thing to do is see how far you hit each of them and go by that. If you hit your 18* 5 wood the same distance as your 17* hybrid, I'd have to say you don't need both in the bag. Same for 7 wood and 23* hybrid. Carry the ones you hit the most consistant if you hit them the same distance. Me, I carry a 5, 7 and 9 wood, and I don't see any reason to carry a hybrid at this time. Most people that hit my 9 wood hit it better than the hybrid they carry the same distance.
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Old December 6th, 2007, 03:50 PM
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Re: Need Opinions on range of HYbrids or FW Woods you carry

Yes, I would definitely say it is redundant. Most people are not going to need fine enough control at that lower loft to have a club every one or two degrees. Most people are going to need fine distance control in the higher lofted clubs, that's why I like my wedges and then the irons to have at most 4 degree gaps. My bag makeup is almost the opposite of yours, Jake, with clubs every 4 degrees from 60 to 24 degrees, then one 19 degree hybrid and one 15 degree wood.

But, at the same time, if it works for you, then by all means. Sometimes players will carry 2 drivers or 2 putters -- all that matters is that it works for you. It bears experimenting, however, to see if you really need all those clubs. You might try recording what you hit for a few rounds and see if all those clubs really are needed.
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Old December 6th, 2007, 05:28 PM
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Re: Need Opinions on range of HYbrids or FW Woods you carry

Woods and Hybrids of the same loft may not be redundant because the woods tend to have longer shafts giving more distance.

But with your Hybrid lofts surrounding your 5 and 7 wood lofts, you probably don't have an ideal mix of longer clubs.

If you carry a 7 wood, you probably only need 1 (or none) hybrid, and it should probably hit the ball shorter than your 7 wood and longer than your longest iron. Your 23* hybrid might be just right for the club shorter than your 7 wood (depending on shaft lengths). You might do well to ditch the 17* hybrid and add a 27 or 28* hybrid. And then that might make your longest iron redundant.

If you know your yardages, and the gaps in yardages between your clubs, you should be able to decide for yourself which clubs aren't necessary, and which clubs might be beneficial to add.
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Re: Need Opinions on range of HYbrids or FW Woods you carry

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Woods and Hybrids of the same loft may not be redundant because the woods tend to have longer shafts giving more distance.
It's important to note that while the length may be longer, that is rarely the entire story. First and foremost, the loft is the biggest factor in how far a ball flies. When comparing two irons, for example, over 80% of the extra distance flown by the stronger iron is from 4 fewer degrees of loft, the other 20% is from the half inch length.

Secondly, the longer length has the potential for more distance, but simply because its length is longer, it will be harder to control. In short, that means chances are good that you won't hit the sweet spot as often as with a shorter club. Hitting the sweet spot with a shorter club will beat missing the sweet spot with a longer club even though the longer club's head speed will be faster, time and time again.

The head design of a metal-wood will be different than the head design of a hybrid typically with a metal-wood having a lower center of gravity to make the ball higher launching. But, at this point, the variation is small.

So, while, yes, the longer shaft is one factor, it won't be a very large one. If the metal-wood shaft is a full inch longer than the hybrid, it will be around 4 extra yards. 4 yards is usually not enough difference for most amateurs, or even pros for that matter. Like I said above, that fine of distance control is usually not needed for most amateurs at all.
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Old December 6th, 2007, 07:41 PM
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Re: Need Opinions on range of HYbrids or FW Woods you carry

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Woods and Hybrids of the same loft may not be redundant because the woods tend to have longer shafts giving more distance.

But with your Hybrid lofts surrounding your 5 and 7 wood lofts, you probably don't have an ideal mix of longer clubs.

If you carry a 7 wood, you probably only need 1 (or none) hybrid, and it should probably hit the ball shorter than your 7 wood and longer than your longest iron. Your 23* hybrid might be just right for the club shorter than your 7 wood (depending on shaft lengths). You might do well to ditch the 17* hybrid and add a 27 or 28* hybrid. And then that might make your longest iron redundant.

If you know your yardages, and the gaps in yardages between your clubs, you should be able to decide for yourself which clubs aren't necessary, and which clubs might be beneficial to add.
yes i like that advice. the 17 degree hybrid is a Nickent 3DX and for some reason i get a lot of reliable distance with it...just fyi: the 7 wood is not "my normal carry in my bag club" , just been experimenting and looking for more loft and hitting a distance between my Nickent (180 plus ) and 6 iron (155) carry in air distance...
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Old December 6th, 2007, 08:38 PM
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Re: Need Opinions on range of HYbrids or FW Woods you carry

I carry a 15 degree fairway wood (x hot) that hits the ball longer than any 3 wood that I have ever tried. It is not even a strong 15. I then have a 18 degree hybrid that I take from 190 - 205 out. I also hit the hybrid off the tee straight. My next club is the 4 iron.

I have always been a good long iron player, so the 18 degree is my last hybrid/wood. I was hitting stingers before they were called stingers. Now, I hit stinkers and sinkers, so hence the hybrid.
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Re: Need Opinions on range of HYbrids or FW Woods you carry

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It's important to note that while the length may be longer, that is rarely the entire story. First and foremost, the loft is the biggest factor in how far a ball flies. When comparing two irons, for example, over 80% of the extra distance flown by the stronger iron is from 4 fewer degrees of loft, the other 20% is from the half inch length.

Secondly, the longer length has the potential for more distance, but simply because its length is longer, it will be harder to control. In short, that means chances are good that you won't hit the sweet spot as often as with a shorter club. Hitting the sweet spot with a shorter club will beat missing the sweet spot with a longer club even though the longer club's head speed will be faster, time and time again.

The head design of a metal-wood will be different than the head design of a hybrid typically with a metal-wood having a lower center of gravity to make the ball higher launching. But, at this point, the variation is small.

So, while, yes, the longer shaft is one factor, it won't be a very large one. If the metal-wood shaft is a full inch longer than the hybrid, it will be around 4 extra yards. 4 yards is usually not enough difference for most amateurs, or even pros for that matter. Like I said above, that fine of distance control is usually not needed for most amateurs at all.
Bignose...can I just mention again that I love having you around here!!!! Another excellent answer that taught me something that I didn't know!
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Old December 7th, 2007, 01:45 AM
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Re: Need Opinions on range of HYbrids or FW Woods you carry

Well, from my sig you can see that I carry a 3W and then 3 hybrids. I carry a 16°, 22°, and 25° degree. The 16° will sometimes leave my bag for a 19°, but that 16° Tour Edge is my most dependable wind club, and winter golf in Colorado is all about wind.

When I hit them well, the 16° hybrid and the 3W are of similar length (230ish), but very different trajectories, so both can have a place in my bag at the same time.
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Re: Need Opinions on range of HYbrids or FW Woods you carry

For the most part, it's all about consistent yardage gaps and clubs that get easier to hit as the yardage gets shorter. For instance, it wouldn't make sense to have a muscleback 1-iron for 240 yards and then a 9-wood for 200 yards.

If I had to guess at a set-up for you based on the info you listed, 6-iron being the longest iron... I'd say driver, 3-wood, 5-wood, 7-wood, your 23 degree hybrid and a hybrid to bridge the gap from there to your 6-iron. I'm not saying that would be the best possible thing for you, but that would probably get you by with decent yardage gaps and steadily shorter clubs that would be easier to hit.
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Old December 7th, 2007, 09:14 AM
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Re: Need Opinions on range of HYbrids or FW Woods you carry

I carry a 17º 4-wood and a 21º hybrid. My 4-iron is 24º and then I have the rest of my irons. I try to keep my gaps as consistent as possible with no redundancies.
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Old December 28th, 2007, 01:39 AM
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Re: Need Opinions on range of HYbrids or FW Woods you carry

9.5*-10.5* Driver
15* 3w
18* hybrid or 5w
21* 3i - 47* pw
50* or 52*gw, 55* or 56*sw and 60*lw
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Re: Need Opinions on range of HYbrids or FW Woods you carry

21* 7W (MacTec NVG)

24* 5H (HiBore iron wood)
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