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Old July 11th, 2008, 07:35 AM
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please rate my swing

hey guys!!

I need help.. I would like you to see my swing and tell me what Im doing wrong.. I feel like it is too stiff and something at the top of my swing doesnt look right...

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Old July 11th, 2008, 07:55 AM
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hey guys!!

I need help.. I would like you to see my swing and tell me what Im doing wrong.. I feel like it is too stiff and something at the top of my swing doesnt look right...

thanx...


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WIth your backswing your weight shifts to the front (are you trying to do a "stack and tilt"?) and on the follow through your weight appears to transfer to the back leg.

You are not maintaining your spine angle throughout the swing.

Your tempo is not smooth. How consistent are you striking the ball?

Your stance looks open. Are you slicing the ball on these two shots?
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Old July 11th, 2008, 12:02 PM
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Re: please rate my swing

well... when striking the ball ive been pretty consistent, for example, when hitting 100 balls, 80will probably go straight and 20 will slice or hook... i honestly dont know how to fix it or how to apply your suggestions... how can i improve my tempo and shift the weight better, how do i close my stance... thank you though...
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Old July 11th, 2008, 07:57 PM
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well... when striking the ball ive been pretty consistent, for example, when hitting 100 balls, 80will probably go straight and 20 will slice or hook... i honestly dont know how to fix it or how to apply your suggestions... how can i improve my tempo and shift the weight better, how do i close my stance... thank you though...
1/5 bad shots aren't too bad for now. However, you should try to find out your swing tendency. If you fade/slice, adjust your aim accordingly. I have a fade with everything except hybrids and wedges - which go straight. I aim just to the left of the fairway and end up on the fairway or slightly to the right (not in the woods/lake for the most part).

Tempo: Read the book Tour Tempo. It can be found in the library:

JOHN NOVOSEL'S TOUR TEMPOŽ - GOLF'S LAST SECRET FINALLY REVEALED

I don't think you should close the stance, unless you want to draw. You just need a reference to which you align your shoulders, hips and feet to the target line. I personally look where I want to deliver the ball. I look for an intermediate target 6-10 inches in front. I line up my body parallel to the line. If I want to fade/slice, I open the stance to the target line. If I want to draw, I close the stance.

Shifting weight shouldn't be completely conscious or you end up over rotating on the backswing. One way to consciously shift your weight to the leading leg (left leg for a right handed golfer) is to step forward and you follow through with the downswing after impact.

I follow the 8 step swing.

Jim McLean 8 Step Swing - 1 - Jim McLean Golf Schools International

Jim McLean: The 8-Step Swing - AOL Video

As I make it to step 3 much of my weight is on the right and I get to step 6 my weight is on the left.

To reinforce my swing I used hinged clubs (refiner Driver an medicus iron).

Regarding the spine angle, picture a pole extending from the base of the neck and down through the tailbone, while you rotate around the pole. You flex at the hips( not the waist). The best way I can tell you how to maintain this is to swing with the feet together rotating around the spine.
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Old July 11th, 2008, 09:21 PM
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Martin. I liked the swing, but it is somewhat unconventional. It looks like you have some trouble with your hip-turn. I suspect that you have your weight on your heels at address, instead of on the balls of your feet. It might help you to place a golf-ball under your right heel, as a drill.
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Old July 11th, 2008, 11:59 PM
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Biggest problem occurs at takeaway because you move your upper body towards the target, and you have to expend a great deal of energy recovering from what is known as a reverse pivot. Here are some graphics which help illustrate what I speak of. I know they are a bit crude but I think they convey the problem.

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At address, a partial solution would be to pinch, or kick the knees in toward each other. This gets the weight on the insides of the feet and keys the muscles on the insides of the legs which help maintain leverage and facillitate the unwinding process. The arms seem a bit stiff or tense; maybe relax them a bit. It appears, but hard to tell from the pic, that the right hand is in a bit of a weak position

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In this frame, I marked a support post in the range cover to use as a reference point to show your initial move TOWARD the target, and noted your approximate spine angle with the white line.

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This frame shows a more desirable head, spine position. Simply getting the head over the inside of the leverage leg thigh will go a long way toward improvement.

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This shows the severity of the reverse.

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I included this frame because it clearly illustrates a premature release. The greyish arc lower left is the clubhead, which has been released prior to strike, meaning the clubhead is actually ahead of the hands at impact.

In my opinion, if you will focus on keeping the weight on the inside of your right foot at the top and get the head over the inside of the right thigh at the top, you will be more powerful and accurate.
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Old July 12th, 2008, 12:17 AM
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well... when striking the ball ive been pretty consistent, for example, when hitting 100 balls, 80will probably go straight and 20 will slice or hook
80% good shots and the misses going both ways! I can't believe I missed this the first time, but like TiMD, I want to note that those stats aren't too bad, if not desirable (except for the possible extremities of the slices and hooks)! You might not want to change at all, but on the other hand, it shows that you have done an admirable job of making the best of your swing so far, and it shows that you have potential, so keep at it: Good luck!
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Old July 12th, 2008, 11:46 AM
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what i saw was on your backswing, your weight is feeding on the right, that is causing some distance loss. on the downswing, you come a little off plane maybe.

just to make it look better, i would recomend going to a golf shop and trying out a medicus iron or driver there, those help out so much its not even funny.
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Old July 12th, 2008, 01:12 PM
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Biggest problem occurs at takeaway because you move your upper body towards the target, and you have to expend a great deal of energy recovering from what is known as a reverse pivot. Here are some graphics which help illustrate what I speak of. I know they are a bit crude but I think they convey the problem.

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At address, a partial solution would be to pinch, or kick the knees in toward each other. This gets the weight on the insides of the feet and keys the muscles on the insides of the legs which help maintain leverage and facillitate the unwinding process. The arms seem a bit stiff or tense; maybe relax them a bit. It appears, but hard to tell from the pic, that the right hand is in a bit of a weak position

Attachment 701
In this frame, I marked a support post in the range cover to use as a reference point to show your initial move TOWARD the target, and noted your approximate spine angle with the white line.

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This frame shows a more desirable head, spine position. Simply getting the head over the inside of the leverage leg thigh will go a long way toward improvement.

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This shows the severity of the reverse.

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I included this frame because it clearly illustrates a premature release. The greyish arc lower left is the clubhead, which has been released prior to strike, meaning the clubhead is actually ahead of the hands at impact.

In my opinion, if you will focus on keeping the weight on the inside of your right foot at the top and get the head over the inside of the right thigh at the top, you will be more powerful and accurate.
That is cool how you did a videocapture. Not to get off of subject, but how did you do that?
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Old July 12th, 2008, 01:23 PM
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I can't believe someone is asking me because I am such a computer tyro
It's the "snipping tool" which comes with Vista.
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Old July 14th, 2008, 02:40 PM
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Wow! That is a serious reverse pivot. Looks like my old swing. I think you need to get rid of that but it will take some work. It is not too hard to believe you hit some good shots even with the reverse pivot but you don't want to groove a swing to such a fault in my opinion. It is hard to say where to get started exactly. You need a couple of lessons from someone who will video tape your swing and go through the steps of setup and rotation.
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