I am not a stranger to this drill and I can do this with or without a club in my hand, no problem. I just can't do it with a ball to hit.
There lies the problems instructors have trying to teach an old dog new tricks. It is like smoking for 30 years, waking up one day, and deciding to quit. You have so many bad habits deeply ingrained, it will take a lot of work and will power to overcome the urge or addiction.
Scratch, forgive me if I offended you, it is not my intention, but the problem is yours to fix. All we can do is show you the right way. It is up to you to make the changes and do the work.
Try this for a drill and see if it helps. Use the swing drill I described of shaking hands, except use a club and only go about half way back. Just keep swinging it back and forth and find the rhythm and tempo. Line 10 or 15 balls up, stand just far enough away from the first ball so you do not make contact. Start the drill swinging back and forth, back and forth until you establish the tempo cutting grass. Then just step into the balls one at a time and walk your way through all the balls.
First a soap box. While I'm working on my swing change, I realized that my swing isn't just a overnight invention. It's a historical adjustment and complex set of band-aid that I patched together over 26 years. Yes, a perfect swing is good but it only works when you have flexible body with some regular maintenance range time also with some time to warm up before the round.
This is the plight of millions, so feel not alone. We want to be able to play well and strike the ball with authority and confidence, but finding the time to gain knowledge then practice effectively IS difficult, NOT impossible. 15 minutes a day for exercises and an hour for practice twice a week will do wonders. Surely anyone can make that kind of time.
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...it's not unusual to tee-off in sub-zero weather with only a hot coffee in your hand
And the coffee stays hot for how long?
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Ball position inside left foot : This is good and I can do this. Seems to help to release my hip more.
Ball away from me : This is hard, I have very short arms and that's why I play regular length club with regular lie despite being 5' 6"
Shorter backswing : I tried to swing halfway and quarter way but video shows I still go almost to 180. Keep working on it.
Bending knees more : Yes
Getting more upright : OK
Hit with hips instead of your shoulder : Now this is close to impossible. I think I'm doing it but video shows otherwise. It only happens with my practice swing.
Weight distribution?
I still think your setup is the root of your problems. Have you done the meditative practices?
I am trying to get you to step 2 in a 3 step process which IS a drill which will give you completely different feels for the swing, but done in minature. I would not expect you to incorporate them into your full swing right away. It is a matter of you discovering these feels (with the subsequent shotmaking results) then deciding if you want to undergo the effort to make significant changes. The least you will end up with is a killer pitch/chip technique because the drill I am working up to is a pitch shot, or a minature of the full swing. But we have to get set up first, and we are not there. It's not that I am not interested in what you are doing with your full swing, I just think I can help you best by showing you something different which you can do in conjunction with what you are trying to do with your full swing. Think of it in terms of learning a new pitch shot. Do you have some place where you can hit 20-30 yard lob shots? Can you find an hour or a half hour even a few times a week?
Scratch, forgive me if I offended you, it is not my intention, but the problem is yours to fix. All we can do is show you the right way. It is up to you to make the changes and do the work.
None taken, I know you are only trying to help me I'm a bit frustrated even knowing that there's no snake oil to cure this.
Pardon me, are you suggesting doing this for every ball or just once at the beginning?
Line up 10 to 15 balls. Stand back and start swinging back and forth without stopping. Keep it up until you establish the tempo and feel then while still swinging back and forth step up into each ball and hit them one at a time without changing the tempo or effort until they are all gone. It is to reprogram you and give you confidence.
I do this with a lot of my students. I have a pair of brothers. One 17 a Sr in high school with a 2 handicap and several colleges want to sign him up. He started at 13. His younger brother is scary, he is 13 and well ahead of his brother at that age. Anyway when we start and finish a lesson they use this drill lining up 15 balls. They have to keep doing the drill until they hit 15 dead solid. They are good enough now it only takes one try. Their father tells me they do this every time when they go to the practice range or before they play a round.
Give it a try, I see it work wonders with all skill levels. It will teach you to loosen up, get the proper fell, and gain confidence.
Line up 10 to 15 balls. Stand back and start swinging back and forth without stopping.
Wow, this was much harder than I thought but I'll continue to try. Anyway, it's been a month since I started my post. That can be a long time or not but I took some time off ( haven't used my summer vacation this year ) and managed to practice and play for 12+ rounds. I am not expecting a huge improvement but I hope to have made a small progress if any.
My DTL swing is still too long but believe or not, I am trying to swing short and easy.
Think of it in terms of learning a new pitch shot. Do you have some place where you can hit 20-30 yard lob shots? Can you find an hour or a half hour even a few times a week?
During 12 rounds, I've tried this a few times, a few continuous swing with 7 iron, and this drill with SW and LW. Surprisingly, I pull more with short irons than long ones. I definitely have short swings with these clubs but if I don't try very hard to shoot them straight, I pull them. So I guess my fundamentals are still very wrong. If I put all my weights to left foot and pre-lease hip and hit, pull is less but it's still there. I am still doing setup practice but this drill is a shocker.
This is a nice thread. Scratch I like your tempo. Just a comment on your driver and iron swing most recently posted. It appears you set up DTL with your shoulders open and your feet closed somewhat which will encourage a pull. Of course it is pretty hard to establish the target line as viewed; but, the really interesting thing is your club head position with the iron at about 19.5 to 20 seconds. If you freeze it there, I think all will agree that you are too far inside at less than hip high. This forces you to lift the club vertically or even slightly forward to get on the upper plane which is appropriate for your downswing. Yes the OTT move is a patch for your current swing but probably would not be necessary if you rolled the club face open slowly and allowed your viable back swing to terminate at your shoulder instead of half way between it and your elbow.
Cheers always,
Bob
Thanks for the comments Bob but I can't really understand this
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allowed your viable back swing to terminate at your shoulder instead of half way between it and your elbow.
Care to elaborate?
Simply that the back swing you are making which is limited to a point half way between your elbow and shoulder ( before you lift the club to a higher plane ) is your effective or viable one. The lifting of the club and slight rotation forward is an adjustment. It seems to me that if you could make a one piece move back to shoulder high, you would be on plane to start your downswing without so many moving parts that can go wrong.
Cheers,
Bob
Simply that the back swing you are making which is limited to a point half way between your elbow and shoulder ( before you lift the club to a higher plane ) is your effective or viable one. The lifting of the club and slight rotation forward is an adjustment. It seems to me that if you could make a one piece move back to shoulder high, you would be on plane to start your downswing without so many moving parts that can go wrong.
Cheers,
Bob
You can swing the golf club from your position between the elbow and shoulder, and,it would be a one plane swing but I see it as very short and flat and I would think a bit uncomfortable. Should you maintain your Y with the club a little better on the back swing rather than taking the club back too much to the right of it, you will find that the club although feeling like it is going outside is really just staying on the line a bit longer. It will naturally end up more opposite your shoulder than midway to your elbow without the corresponding tightness in your arms. I do not see your problem as a flexibility issue; more a mechanical problem. From this new position on a higher plane going back you will be able to initiate your downswing with no additional manipulation of the club. More radius while maintaining what Jimmy Ballard refers to as "connection" equals more distance with accuracy.
Hope this clarifies it a bit for you,
Bob