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Ok my back is killing me more and more over the years and i want to get to the bottom of how exactly the spine and hips move through the swing!!

Ben Hogan says "imagine an elastic band tied to your left hip and that the other end is fastened to wall directly behind you, the elastic is stretched with increased tension. When you start turning your hips back to the left (for Rightys) the elastic will snap back to the left with tremendous speed!!" Ok thanks but I think he should have said "directly behind and up a 3-4 ft??" Right?? I really dont know im asking.....hear me out---if the band is "directly behind you" when you swing it will crank the bottom of spine when you try to rotate your body open and keep the same spine angle (avoiding reverse pivot)? like you took a push broom that looks like an upside down cross with the top sawed off and drove it into the ground diagnolly bending one side of the broom un-naturally up (the right side of hip would force naturally up)?? this has been my spine last 3 years as i have been forcefully trying to apply this.

I am thinking right hip should move more downward and right knee should move down as well correct?

Does anyone know what im trying to ask ? another words your hips should not change their perfect perpendicular position to spine correct (opposed to jamming one side of push broom in ground)?

I think me not knowing or understanding this question is still why i cant beat the reverse pivot! (humping ball slightly at impact)

Thanks

Point your lead knee behind the ball in your backswing...get up on the inside of your toe of your lead foot, allowing the heel to raise if it wants to but definetly putting your weight on the inside of your foot on the big toe with your lead knee angled and pointing behind the ball...you'll be in a better position then...on the downswing think about driving your right knee at the ball...all are pretty subtle movements so don't overdo them, but it should help you...do yourself a favor and forget about the angle of axis of hip tilt...just keep the flex in the rear knee constant, neither straighten or dip and you'll hit the ball alright...

This is dead on target IMO. If you want the hips to work properly, focus on the knees, and constant flex is essential; so much so that any amount of time you spend doing slow motion coil drills and exercises, meditating on knee flex consistency (not even the slightest variation), will pay huge dividends.
Going a bit further, I advocate keeping the trailing knee predisposed toward the target, or kicked in slightly, which keeps the weight on the inside of the trailing foot at the top, creating instant change of direction (COD). At COD, the downward pressure automatically causes the knees and hips then to move toward the target. Your lower back will thank you for learning this.
The knees are also key to maintaining both levels and spine angle (try to alter spine angle without altering knee flex).
Regarding the reverse, if you'll just do the above AND make sure your head is over the inside of the trailing leg thigh at the top, you will not reverse.

Spend less time thinking about the angle of the hip and more on what moving the hip first does.
If you start with the shoulder the dreaded over the top swing takes place as the rest of the body catches up or you swing inside and the hips moves forward abstructing the hands forcing a blocked shot. Ever have either of these things happen.
At the top of the backswing the shoulders are at about 90 degrees and the hips are at 45 degrees flexed. Ok, that is what a pro does we turn less but the turn angle of the shoulders and hips are different.
Cut to the chase:
The first move on the downswing is to square the hips and shift the weight to the front foot. This causes the arms to drop into the slot and creats an inside to out swing.

This adage is often repeated as if it is a universal truism, but it is true only for particular types of swings. It is not true for a swing in which the shoulder joints, arms, and upper torso all move in unison. I just think that for the sake of creating as little confusion for readers as possible, that distinction should be made.

I agree, although it might be true if you start with the trailing shoulder. That would be the old dominant side take over.

shooter5757,
You might want to consider what I said in the other forum. I will quote some of it here.

"My hip movements are subconscious, as yours should be. It is amazing that almost everyone sees that the hips lead the downswing, and then think that they must consciously control that hip movement. They never consider that those hip movements should be the result of subconscious anticipation, and as such, will be perfect.

Maybe you think the hips don't respond to the golf swing. Well, they don't if you swing with your arms, so try a body powered swing. It is also called a pivot powered swing. The instruction I use is "The Golf Swing and Its Master Key Explained" By Noel Thomas. I'm sure there must be other instruction that teaches this, but I have not searched for it."

Thank you guys all great advice!! I will work on the knee movements and see if that helps. I think i should invent some training tool where you strap your spine in and teaches you to turn without bending your spine. This is a more tedious problem for me than i conveyed i do shoot around par consistently (well on municipil courses) but this problem keeps me blocking shots sometimes like bob suggested. I have been doing this for 15 years it maybe harder than just knee movement but i will try !! I figured out what happens today as i was thinking about it. the frustration for me comes because if you curl your spine in or have dominant abb strength you cannot rotate without finishing in a c position....not a reverce c.....if you were to take a wire and bend it when you twist it the top moves dramatically....but if it is in a straight line the top stays stationary......I am good enough player not to let club go over top so i just stop rotating...!! ahh

so "bumpn run" and "crossgrain" you are saying that the knees never change flex angle? are you sure? i know at the end of swing the left knee straightens is that the only time flex changes?

Not until after impact if you want to do anything positive with the ball...

Unless you want to complicate the swing unecessarily, yes. Think about it. If the trailing knee straightens just a little, that hip will rise with it causing the spine to shift toward the target in order to seek balance. Those moves will then have to be undone at the start of the down swing. There are plenty of good golfers who make that move, so it's not like it can't be done, but you risk power, accuracy, complicate the swing, and you risk back injury by doing so.

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Point the lead knee to a point behind the ball going back, drive the right knee at the ball coming down...maintain the flex in the back knee (no moving up and down), keep your weight poised on the insides of the feet and never spilling over to the outside, and the rest don't think about, it will just happen...

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Notice the very quiet leg action...a little goes a long way...

I agree to the extent that that during the downswing when all the parts are in unison you get consistent accuracy.
When the three get separated bad things can happen. The most common errors are when the hands or shoulders race ahead causing the out to in and the other is the hips releasing too soon trapping the arms causing a push.
Also, your unified swing is great for accuacy, but the X factor is more limited so as the golfer gets more "skilled" beginning with the hip creates a more fluid swing, better weight shift and more acceleration trough the bottom of the swing.