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Old October 18th, 2004, 09:31 AM
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Pushing ball right

I seem to have a problem pushing my iron and fairway woods right. I was told at the range that it is because I am allowing my right hip to come out past my right leg on back swing, but when I try to correct this by a more horizontal hip turn it leads to very poor contact.

A pre shot routine of two swings with feet together drill, a practice swing and then hit seems to help and has me thinking a short abbreviated follow through and or poor/misstimed forarm roll is the more likely culprit.

Any ideas on how to fix this other than aim left of target line?
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Old October 18th, 2004, 10:53 AM
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Is it a push or is it a banana ball? Push just goes straight out to the right and a slice would start left and then curve back around to the right.

A push or block to the right is normally the cause of either an open club face at impace or your hips clearing to early through the shot.

If its a slice then thats a differen ball game and could be a number of things, but the main reason is a outside to in swing path.
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Old October 18th, 2004, 11:53 AM
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i have the same problem with pushing or blocking the ball to the right. i found the problem comes from not turning my wrists over on the downswing, causing the clubface to be open upon impact. when i am able to adjust and turn my wrists properly, the ball flies much straighter.
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Old October 18th, 2004, 12:18 PM
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Go back to fundamentals...

Light-pressured NEUTRAL/STONG grip.
BALANCED Athletic Stance.
Alignment SQUARE to target (think Railroad Tracks)
SWING the golf club.

Focusing on things other than the fundamental basics in the golf swing is what produces blocks/slices/everything else except good shots. With a light-pressured grip, the wrist release happens without a conscious effort. To swing the club, turn back from the top down and then swing through from the bottom up.
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Old October 18th, 2004, 02:34 PM
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Well its definitely not a slice as that was my first hurdle when I first started. Ball comes off club and starts its travel between 1 and 2 O'Clock sometimes it will fade toward the end of its travel. Slowing down my back swing seems to help a bit. Hard to tell for sure exactly what is causing it. I realize its next to impossible for you guys to diagnose site unseen but thought I would ask anyways.

Just hoping this is my last glitch to work out. If anyone knows how to get the stuck tape out of my camcorder let me know and I can post a swing vid to my web site.
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Old October 18th, 2004, 10:32 PM
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Just hoping this is my last glitch to work out.
Well, you can hope in one hand...lol, just kiddin'. It's good to be an optimist but just don't get too bent out of shape if another "glitch" shows up later.

But let's see if we can fix this one...yes, without seeing your swing it's kind of a shot in the dark but I'll wager a small adjustment might do it. Small adjustment, ok? Move the ball forward in your stance no more that half a ball...I know, hard to measure that, but it's just a mental image to prevent you from adjusting too much, getting bad results, and getting more frustrated. It just sounds like your getting to the ball a leeetle early, so the best, simplest way to give you more time to get to impact is to move the ball forward slightly...careful not to move the ball away - keep the hands in tight.

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If anyone knows how to get the stuck tape out of my camcorder let me know and I can post a swing vid to my web site.
Two words - butter knife LOL...but seriously, take it to the shop for a cleaning...they're gonna charge you anyway so if you take it to get the tape out and a clean, if they detect a belt broken or something they won't charge you as much as if you just walked in for repair.

Let us know if the shots straighten out.

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Old October 19th, 2004, 12:02 AM
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Another thing you can focus on is your alignment and grip...most of the time a shot that strays away from straight is a direct result of alignment or grip or both. Just strengthen your grip a tad, you should be able to see 3 knuckles on your left hand when holding the club at address and your right hand should just fit nicely on the left with the left thumb right in the lifeline of the right hand.

As for your alignment, if your shoulders are open or lower body are open you're sometimes prone to fade the ball, although having an open stance and closed shoulders you're more prone to draw the ball. So just set a club down along your toes when you line up to a shot, step back and see if that is where you wanted to aim. Have someone look to see where you're shoulders are aimed. A slow take away does help too, because it allowes you get the club on the right line/plane on the backswing, making an easier trasition to the downswing.
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Old October 19th, 2004, 01:07 AM
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Its possible the problem is something as simple as having the clubface open. If that isn't true, follow the excellent advice of the other people here.
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Old October 19th, 2004, 09:41 AM
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Went to the range and think I have tracked down the problem to my hands being out of position. Stopping half way back my left thumb was pointing more toward 1 or 2 O'Clock as apposed to straight toward the sky, hence the slightly open club face at impact producing the push and fade/slice at the end. The shaking hands with the guy behind you drill comes to mind here. Still have to be very conscious of not coming outside in and producing a slice when using any club over a 4 iron.

Hoping thats the final answer but there has been many a time I have thought that only to go out the next day and have the same problems reoccur but I guess "thats golf".
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Old October 19th, 2004, 11:18 AM
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Went to the range and think I have tracked down the problem to my hands being out of position. Stopping half way back my left thumb was pointing more toward 1 or 2 O'Clock as apposed to straight toward the sky, hence the slightly open club face at impact producing the push and fade/slice at the end. The shaking hands with the guy behind you drill comes to mind here. Still have to be very conscious of not coming outside in and producing a slice when using any club over a 4 iron.

Hoping thats the final answer but there has been many a time I have thought that only to go out the next day and have the same problems reoccur but I guess "thats golf".

Yep, probably the problem here. Are you intintionally rotating your hands on the backswing? Its pretty hard to have the club point at 1 or 2 o'clock without intintionally rotating. On the backswing, take it away low and slow and without rotating your hands intintionally, you're body should do this automatically. When your club gets paralell with your waist the toe should be pointing straight up.
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Old October 21st, 2004, 08:48 AM
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I think part of the problem also stems from my slice fighting days. I was outside in badly when I started and got into the habit of an exaggerated inside/flat takeaway to fix it. Now a good take away and follow through registers in my brain as a outside in swing but my divot tells a different story being nice and straight. Of course now any slices are push slices, just the opposite of when I first started.

As you said a low and slow on plain back swing is the answer and getting my head to register that as the right thing to do. Hopefully just a matter of practice and muscle memory at this point. Not looking to be Tiger by any means but breaking into the 80s before the new year seems almost possible now.
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Old October 21st, 2004, 02:19 PM
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I seem to have a problem pushing my iron and fairway woods right. I was told at the range that it is because I am allowing my right hip to come out past my right leg on back swing,...

A pre shot routine of two swings with feet together drill, a practice swing and then hit seems to help and has me thinking a short abbreviated follow through and or poor/misstimed forarm roll is the more likely culprit.

Any ideas on how to fix this other than aim left of target line?

The drill you are talking about, feet together , is working for you so stay with it!!!!!!!!!!!

It sounds like you were laterly sifting away from the ball rather than rotating away and through impact. This drill is helping you rotate and time "forearm" roll (release).

Work on Keeping it Simple .
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Old October 21st, 2004, 04:47 PM
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I think part of the problem also stems from my slice fighting days. I was outside in badly when I started and got into the habit of an exaggerated inside/flat takeaway to fix it. Now a good take away and follow through registers in my brain as a outside in swing but my divot tells a different story being nice and straight. Of course now any slices are push slices, just the opposite of when I first started.

As you said a low and slow on plain back swing is the answer and getting my head to register that as the right thing to do. Hopefully just a matter of practice and muscle memory at this point. Not looking to be Tiger by any means but breaking into the 80s before the new year seems almost possible now.
This is exactly my problem. However, the divots can be deceiving. I know, as I have exactly these experiences. Look at them carefully, and oftentimes you will notice that indeed they ARE just the slightest bit out-to-in. If you are truly swinging on an in-to-out swing path, your divots will appear in-to-out. Thus, "straight" is usually not straight.
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Old October 22nd, 2004, 08:36 AM
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Technically, for a straight shot you need your divot to fly towards the left (assuming you are a righthanded golfer). Your divot mark should be pointing slightly to the left. If you are swinging on plane, then you should get these results. However, little things like closing or opening the clubface will give different results.
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Old October 22nd, 2004, 09:40 AM
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You might want to get jcgolfpro's view on this. I'm sure he's seen divots pointing in every direction!
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