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Old November 26th, 2004, 11:13 PM
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The tip that changed my game

The one tip that changed my game was when my pro buddy told me to make a triangle with my arms and body on the way down. Im lefthanded so im gonna talk from my point of view. On my down swing to drop my arms and hands into the target slot i let my left elbow get as close to my body as possible coming inside out, while keeping my right arm stiff and wrists cocked. Halfway down the swing you should be able to stop and look at ur posistion and have a traingle formed between ur arms and your body. This promotes the inside out path needed to get good contact and straight to draw flight. try it and ill try to post a video of what im talking about.
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Old November 28th, 2004, 12:01 AM
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Any tip that promotes getting the arms down first will help most people, especially those that pull or pull slice the ball.
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Old November 28th, 2004, 12:03 AM
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The one tip that changed my game was when my pro buddy told me to make a triangle with my arms and body on the way down. Im lefthanded so im gonna talk from my point of view. On my down swing to drop my arms and hands into the target slot i let my left elbow get as close to my body as possible coming inside out, while keeping my right arm stiff and wrists cocked. Halfway down the swing you should be able to stop and look at ur posistion and have a traingle formed between ur arms and your body. This promotes the inside out path needed to get good contact and straight to draw flight. try it and ill try to post a video of what im talking about.
Excellent tip. Gary really emphasized it by saying exactly what I do.

I am a lefty too leftone, btw.

However, isn't it possible to hit over the top even if you maintain the triangle? You simply maintain it but come over the plane, instead of on it...
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Old November 28th, 2004, 12:15 AM
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That's EXACTLY the visualization/feeling I stress when teaching (especially beginners). Most of my students do not start out with the "beginner's slice." Maintaining the "triangle" formed at address with the shoulders and arms and returning it to impact will ensure that your arms are extended and you are not "chicken-winging" it.

As robert pointed out, it is still possible to swing over the top but it is much more difficult to do so and with the triangle visualization coupled with a "delayed-hit" thought, usually the player will not do so. If they are, there are other tricks we use to get them to feel the proper approach to the ball.
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Old November 28th, 2004, 12:22 AM
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I have another question.

Why does an out-to-in swing cause a slice? I mean, in terms of physics, why would swinging along a set path, with the clubface *square* to the target line, cause a slice? Is it because you are still imparting sidespin on it from the way the club is travelling?
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Old November 28th, 2004, 12:39 AM
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An Outside-to-In swing only causes a slice if your clubface is open/square to the TARGET LINE which gives you varying degrees of open to the swingpath. If your clubface is square to the swingpath, you get the lovely straight pull but that clubface orientation would be closed to the target line (provided we aimed properly). There is a thread posted about the Ball Flight Laws (I think it was labeled Self-Diagnosis) which illustrates the 9 different ways you can contact a golf ball.
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Old November 28th, 2004, 01:42 AM
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out-side-in swing creates the same spin that a pitcher would have throwing a curve ball causing it to cut on u. As for coming over the top, not if your flat in the triangle. i almost always tell my students to get flat because of the noobies tendancy to be over the top, but if u can create the flat triangle on the down swing you will make much more consistant shots. Not only that but it promotes a natural club face close at impact instead of having to throw your wrists at it.
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With the friction caused during compression, the ball tends to flow out toward the toe and there is an imbalance of force on the left half of the ball. This imbalance changes the direction of ball rotation and indeed does impart spin which moves the ball offline of the initial direction the ball starts. The initial direction of the ball is determined by the direction of the very last force that acted on it and how much it detracts from the rebound effect of the ball off the clubface. It is approximately 3 degrees for every 10 degrees errant of the clubface. In short, the ball starts left of the target and the spin on the ball makes it move slightly to the right, but usually no more than the target.

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Old November 28th, 2004, 02:36 AM
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With the friction caused during compression, the ball tends to flow out toward the target and there is an imbalance of force on the left half of the ball. This imbalance changes the direction of ball rotation and indeed does impart spin which moves the ball offline of the initial direction the ball starts. The initial direction of the ball is determined by the direction of the very last force that acted on it and how much it detracts from the rebound effect of the ball off the clubface. It is approximately 3 degrees for every 10 degrees errant of the clubface. In short, the ball starts left of the target and the spin on the ball makes it move slightly to the right, but usually no more than the target.
Wonderful explanation as usual Steve. Thanks!
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