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According to the swing analysis machine, I get the club face closed on impact, but fade/slice due to coming over the top. How do you fix this swing flaw????

Try hitting a few on the range with a very closed stance. This should make the over-the-top/casting motion feel awkward and lead you naturally to an inside-out swing path.

There are a million other suggestions, but this is probably a good place to start, and a pretty simple fix.

Good luck

Tina Mickelson has a great drill. Get to the top of your backswing and let your arms just fall. <joke>Chances are that your arms will fall toward the ground</joke>. It also helps to think about hitting a dot that sits on the ball at the 4:00 position at address.

::: I'm not a licensed PGA Teaching Professional. Others here are. Listen to them more than me. :::

I like this tip from golf digest's breaking 100, 90, 80 to promote a inside-out swing path....." place one range ball about a foot behind the ball you are hitting. on the same line, four inches toward you place another ball. take the club back over the first ball, then swing through over the second ".

On a grass range i like to use beer caps cause you can push them into the ground (For some reason having another ball in my sight screws me up) on mats i just use a couple pieces of white tape.

hope this helps

Hi Net Boy - your drill is great.

Also having a neutral grip that is in the fingers will help.

Lawdog: I had the same problem as you but not any more. The Pump Drill helped me fix it but it took a lot of work and is not an over night thing.Good luck you will need to put in the effort and work on this to kill the roundhouse over the top shoulder move. On the downswing the right shoulder moves down plane . In simple terms you bump left with the hips about 2" to start the downswing this has an effect on the trail shoulder dropping it. You can check this in a mirror . Your job is to direct the right shoulder down plane. In simple terms draw a line from the ball through your right shoulder "At the Top of your backswing" . When you bump left with the hips direct the right shoulder down this line. That is what is meant by the term of the shoulder moving down plane. Again the use of a mirror is very helpful with this. Round house over the top shoulders spin above this plane and is often a result of being very right handed . So do lots of left arm swinging and pump drills with the left arm only. If you work on these things things will improve but it may take a bit of time.

I came over the top for many years. Here's what finally fixed it:

* Closed stance drill (I hit balls with my RIGHT foot placed about 10" behind, or else my right foot directly behind my left foot), to encourage an inside swing path.

* LAG/Pump drill. From halfway back, set your arms/wrists in the correct swingplane, and wrist cocked (lagging) position. Allow your arms to fall, releasing the clubhead through impact. It felt as if my wrists were going to impact my right hip, but it doesn't.

* More inside takeaway. I slightly changed my takeaway more to the inside, which enforced keeping the shaft/club on that plane on the way down.

* SpeedStik. I've reviewed this elsewhere, but I'm very convinced that this device helps your tempo, and keeping the club on plane. It's hard to swing it fast, unless you're on plane properly.

just curious SAM...what kind of drills have you been doing with the speedstik? do u do the same ones or a variety?

The DVD shows some drills and stretches, but here are the main ones I use:

* LEFT handed swings. This balances out your body's muscle groups, and really feels weird! But, it's an interesting drill.

* "Baseball" type swings, with a flatter swingplane. This helps develop more of a "sweeping" motion, rather than a "hitting" motion.

* LAG & Pump drills. Stik halfway back in the proper position on plane, with wrist/stik lagging, then allow it to "fall" into the slot.

* Full swings. It's hard to swing the Stik out of plane. It's so LONG, and heavier, it kind of forces you to have good tempo in order to swing it well.

And always...............swing the STik so that the end of it is about 10" above the ground. An instructor told this to me AFTER I managed to put a 5" long red mark on my carpet! D'OH!!!

one thing that has helped me swing from the inside path is getting a full backswing, meaning turning the shoulders 90 degrees, back facing the target, and taking the club back to parallel, or even beyond. I think it's about getting the club up to the right position that allows it to come down naturally on plane. I've succeeded in hitting draws by doing this, so I think that proves I must be on the right plane. I think the reason a lot of golfers swing out to in, is because the ball is out in front of you, and you think you have to push your hands out to meet the ball. In reality, if your hands come straight down close to your legs, you'll make contact just fine. If you watch Singh, he looks like he is hitting his legs with his hands when he makes contact.

I also adjusted my grip by pointing the v of my right hand toward my left shoulder. Doing this keeps my elbow tucked closer to my body.

I know these sound weird. Has anyone else tried these?