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Please excuse me if I sound a little ticked off, but I can't believe there has been more sympathy and remembrance on this board directed toward John Lennon's death than there has been toward our thousands of veterans who died in Pearl Harbor.

All this gushing over a so-called musical genius, yet very little honoring the thousands of men who died defending the freedoms of this country. The same freedoms that allow people like Lennon and his ilk to come here and protest this and that and yet still be safe in their own beds every night. You may have guessed I am not a fan of his, and hold nothing against those who are. I am just disgusted when a pop star with questionable character receives so much love, and those who made the supreme sacrifice are basically forgotten.

Just my two cents...

I wholeheartedly agree with you. After visiting the Pearl Harbor memorial (and having a brother who is a Marine stationed on Oahu) and standing over the tomb of 1,100 Navy serviceman, what does John Lennon matter, or Curt Kobain, or Janis Joplin, or....

I'm not sure what you mean there...I see 12 replies in the Pearl Harbor thread and only 6 to the Lennon one. Certainly no one would say that those who gave their lives at Pearl Harbor were insignificant and not worthy of honor. At the same time, while it's my opinion that we can never praise the sacrifices of the great men and women who did so much for our country too much (although this one slipped by me ), I can see how some may skip over this one. There are many days and holidays that tie into the military when we show our respect for veterans and those currently serving that some may not respond to every one. On the other hand, not that many will think about John Lennon's death besides on the day he died. These are not my views, but simply an explanation for why the Pearl Harbor thread did not get more play.

As StlCard_25 said, we did have a thread devoted to rememberance of Pearl Harbor and there were posts in a couple of other threads devoted to it as well. John Lennon aside, I think the lessening of the attention paid to Dec 7th has more to do with the passage of time, than anything else. With each passing year, there are fewer around who actually remember Dec 7th & WWII. When I was younger, both Dec. 7th and June 6th (D-Day for you non-history buff YGs) were the occassion for major remeberances on all forms of media. Now they get maybe a small article in the paper as they fade into history for many. Much the same has happened with Kennedy's assassination. I imagine 50 years from now it will be the same with Sept. 11th.

I agree with wazmankg. As time passes and the those who actually remember the "moment when they heard the news" have passed on, the raw emotions of such an historical event fades. I do believe that those events should continue to be honored and recognized in a special way. I hold the sacrifices made by our military, past and present, in the deepest sense of respect and gratitude and hope they will always be cherished.

People form a more personal bond with celebrities, especially musicians and relate to them in a different way. You recognize that particular face, the sound of the voice and they become someone you "know". People associate music with their memories - a first dance, a first kiss, etc. - and when the is music heard, they are transported to a different time and place in their life. No one can dispute the impact that John Lennon and the Beatles had on music history regardless of whether you liked their music or not. When you are young, you either overlook, ignore, or simply aren't interested in their politics. You simply care about how their music makes you feel. When they die, people seem to feel the loss a little more personally.

Very true. It's like saying "Why didn't you make such a big deal on the 140th year's passing since Lincoln was killed, but you remember John Lennon?! Have you no sense of patriotism?!" Like, seriously, most of us were alive and vividly remember where we were on Dec. 8th 1980 (I wasn't born yet), but VERY few of us can say we remember where we were on Dec. 7th 1941 (I believe it was '41, correct me if I'm wrong).

I don't know how you even compare the two events. Pearl Harbour was a devastating attack on our country and brought the USA into WWII. The attack was a watershed event in the history of the world. Imagine the Japanese failed or our carriers were in the harbour that morning. The war, our country and the world could have been far different.

John Lennon's death was the death of a celebrity and nothing more. Sure his music may have been inspired, even genius, but beyond that his death had little effect on our world and history, beyond his families personal tragedy. If anything the world is better without his extreme views on society.

Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No **** below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.

Please! He would have been happy residing in his homophonic buddy's (Lenin) Soviet Union. Lennon and his kind would gladly deny you most of your rights as citizens of the United States of America (property ownership, freedom of religion, right to bear arms, free speech, etc, etc, etc), not to mention your inalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, in the name of peace, love and communism.

The mass media may have forgotten Pearl Harbor, D-Day, WWII, etc. but I don't think most Americans have or ever will.

Yeah, guess you're right. We should not have peace.

We, the people of the United States should be militant and kill everything in sight until we rule the universe.




Give me a break dude.

Lennon's brand of passifist appeasement brought about WWII, 9-11 and countless other wars. Evil will always seek to prey on the weak and the unprepared, its human nature. But war can be avoided through strength. If Chamberlain had stood up to Hitler, I suspect WWII might never have occured, at least not on the scale is did. If we would have taken out UBL when we had the chance 9-11 may not have occured. Do not mistake passivism for peace.

I also wish everyone in the world had enough to eat, a warm place to sleep and a good education. It all about how you go about it and Lennon's (and others) ideas were all about taking my land, my freedom and my money so everyone could have some. I really prefer capitolism. Even the poorest, most ignorent among us can make it with enough hard work and perseverance. Earning what you have brings personal freedom, having the government distribute wealth brings servitude.

Ugh...can anyone point me toward Golf Rewind? I think I signed into Political and Religious Rewind today.

It says "no golf talk" right in the description. I'm just trying to follow the rules.

Well danmcmartin, I don't see any "passifist appeasement" in Lennon's words you quote only, a maybe naive, wish for brotherhood and love & caring for one another.

so the world would be better off without bono? fact is, they're using their celebrity status to make a difference in the world. if you see their efforts to promote peace and help the poor as taking away from your own freedom, that's your own humble opinion. as for me and many others on this forum, we appreciate their efforts and realize their contributions go far beyond the realm of music, which in OUR humble opinion deserves a few posts on this little forum.

so you don't believe in helping hands to those who need it? your overarching assessment of the protestand work ethic isn't always applicable in all cases. that is why there is the concept of charity, something preached by Lennon and others like him.

My deed is done on this subject...

PeaceLove