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Old May 3rd, 2005, 09:58 PM
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Lefty takes a roundhouse right from Card and (announced in my best Howard Cosell voice!) "Down goes Lefty, Down goes Lefty, Down goes Lefty" :faintthud ONE....TWO....THREE....FOUR.... "World Tour" Lefty might not get up from this one! FIVE....SIX.....SEVEN.....
Too funny! Absolutely too funny!!! One minute whilst I change my shorts.

OK, I'm back. I remember, oh it must've been around 1994. Remember when all four majors were won, that year, by non-Americans? And the entire golf world wondered where the mighty and dominant Americans had gone.

Then along came Mickelson...then Leonard...then Duval...then Woods. And the rest is history.
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Old May 3rd, 2005, 10:07 PM
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Only time will tell, but if the trend continues then I still think (`Twin Edged Sword` thread) that one day the (U.S)P.G.A Tour may wish to introduce a limit on the number of non-American professionals in the top 125 money list. I wouldn`t blame them for doing so either, because the vast majority of the tournaments are played on American courses with American sponsors prize money.C-B-C
I don't think this would ever be considered. I certainly would not hope so. That's just not the American way. Bring your best and let them climb as high as they can.
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Old May 4th, 2005, 03:46 AM
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It took many years for USPGA to allow overseas players into the Tour .When Tony Jacklin was winning the US Open , some players resented 'him coming over here and taking our money'. I don't believe that the tour would be crazy enough to weaken the tour by stopping young Australians and others graduating through the Nationwide Tour.

The USPGA tour operates in the largest single market place in the World ,which gives sponsors the biggest 'bang per buck ' of their money. Hence the ability to command the highest purses. This will never change and the rest of the World will have to learn to live with it. At present, the European Tour co sponsors events in the winter with the Asian and Afican Tours , giving half th eplaces to each tour and givng recipricol rights to players. It works well . Whie Poulter,Clarke and Harington are playing in Florida , up and coming players get to compete in tournaments they would not normally play.

Hey, I just asked the question for fun, why did everyone get hormonal?
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Old May 4th, 2005, 09:25 AM
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It took many years for USPGA to allow overseas players into the Tour........The USPGA tour operates in the largest single market place in the World ,which gives sponsors the biggest 'bang per buck ' of their money. Hence the ability to command the highest purses. This will never change and the rest of the World will have to learn to live with it.

Hey, I just asked the question for fun, why did everyone get hormonal?
I'm aware of the PGA Tour's old (and shameful) discriminatory "Caucasians Only" rule but I was unaware the PGA Tour had an "Americans Only" rule that didn't "allow" anyone but Americans to compete.

Hormonal? We're just having some fun with with your idea that somebody would try to kill the "Golden Goose" that is the PGA Tour. Least of all the players themselves.

We're glad to see you get up off the canvas and that you're OK after that latest TKO. After reading your bold statement above, I can see that Card's relentless onslaught and crushing overhand right (see post #11) seems to have knocked some "reality" into your way of thinking.

We're lucky to have you and your opinions here with us at GR.........so please don't ask for a rematch. We don't want you to end up like so many other boxers that took one too many beatings. Mumbled and slurred posts from a once great champion would be a terrible thing.
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Old May 4th, 2005, 11:50 AM
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I was unaware the PGA Tour had an "Americans Only" rule that didn't "allow" anyone but Americans to compete
Your ignorance has been lifted. When Woosnam won the MAsters ,he was an invitee, as an International palyer he had no standing.

Besides, seeing the internationals dominate the US tour will be fun.
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Old May 4th, 2005, 11:59 AM
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Besides, seeing the internationals dominate the US tour will be fun.
when is this supposed to happen?
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Old May 4th, 2005, 12:24 PM
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Americans have won 11 of the last 15 major championships, which is what you'll typically see in a 4 or 5 year span. So major title-wise, not much has changed. Americans still have control of the majors. No doubt there are a lot better mix of competition with the international field, but they haven't made a strong impact yet in the major championship department, especially the Europeans, who haven't had a major title since Paul Lawrie in '99.
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Old May 4th, 2005, 12:25 PM
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Your ignorance has been lifted. When Woosnam won the MAsters ,he was an invitee, as an International palyer he had no standing.

Besides, seeing the internationals dominate the US tour will be fun.
The Masters and the PGA Tour are two different animals. :nodsmiley The Masters had a tradition of excluding European Tour members until just recently because of their qualifying requirements. But, it sure was a shame that players such as Gary Player, Greg Norman, David Graham, Bernard Langer, and company were not allowed to play the PGA Tour because of their international status.
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Old May 4th, 2005, 02:32 PM
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As these tours 'left out in the cold' have provided more players in top twenty than USA ,how dejected are the fans?


Hey Lefty, did you know that out of the current top 30 money leaders on the PGA Tour only 6 do not reside in America? I'm sure you also realize that many of your young Eurostars attend college and develop their golf games in the US as well. Why would they do that if all the good, young golfers in the world are in Europe?
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Old May 4th, 2005, 03:51 PM
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Americans have won 11 of the last 15 major championships,
12 out of last 16 MAjors have been held in USA.
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Old May 4th, 2005, 04:18 PM
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12 out of last 16 MAjors have been held in USA.
Unclear on your point here Lefty, seeing as US players have won the last 3 of 5 British Opens and 7 of the past 10.
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Old May 4th, 2005, 06:14 PM
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Unclear on your point here Lefty, seeing as US players have won the last 3 of 5 British Opens and 7 of the past 10.
I can't believe the 180-degree turn in the British Open. For 11 years ('84-94) Americans won just one Claret Jug. And in the last 9, they've taken 7 out of them, only one of which was Tiger Woods. I believe a lot of that has to do with the change in exemptions that allows more U.S. players to compete, but it's still amazing to see the British Open completely dominated by Yanks.
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Old May 4th, 2005, 07:16 PM
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I can't believe the 180-degree turn in the British Open. For 11 years ('84-94) Americans won just one Claret Jug. And in the last 9, they've taken 7 out of them, only one of which was Tiger Woods. I believe a lot of that has to do with the change in exemptions that allows more U.S. players to compete, but it's still amazing to see the British Open completely dominated by Yanks.
It does not amaze me as most British players that are still playing on the European Tour are getting too used to playing the fairly simple ,mostly "new" courses around the world (China, Indonesia, Thailand and every where else the Euro tour seems to end up around the world) and as such don,t seem to be able to turn it on when it comes to "Our Major"
Look at how well the Texan players have done in the past, Justin Leonard( 1 win and 1 very close) and Todd Hamilton, they learn,t their trades on windy, dry courses and have not forgotten how to do it ( unlike our boys )
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I don't see a decline of US golfers but I look as it as a rise to more players (population wise) overseas. Remember that theres a big population difference between the states and the rest of the planet
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Old May 4th, 2005, 09:00 PM
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12 out of last 16 MAjors have been held in USA.
What exactly is that supposed to mean? You want to move the majors around to different parts of the world now too? I'm sure the United States Golf Association and the Professional Golfers' Association of America would be receptive to sending their championships overseas....
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