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Old May 4th, 2005, 10:27 PM
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Your ignorance has been lifted. When Woosnam won the MAsters ,he was an invitee, as an International palyer he had no standing.
That may be true about Woosie but there was never a rule that prohibited European players from joining the PGA Tour. You said, and I quote, "It took many years for USPGA to allow overseas players into the Tour." That is a false statement.

Looks like you better do some heavy weight "lifting" of your own!
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Old May 4th, 2005, 10:35 PM
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12 out of last 16 MAjors have been held in USA.
Pssst. Hey Lefty.....if you think that's bad, you'd better get used to it because 11 out of the NEXT 15 Majors will be held in the United States too.
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The United States Of America: A major championship kind of place.
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Old May 5th, 2005, 05:57 PM
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I don't think I'd give my vote to move the PGA Championship out of the USA. I don't think I'll have to worry about it anyway...no one will put that forth to the members to vote on. BTW - the PGA TOUR has no say where the PGA Championship is held.
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I think I'd give my vote to move the PGA Championship out of the USA...- jcgolfpro
That's right folks, you heard it here first...American golfer, and PGA Class A Professional, jcgolfpro, wants to move the PGA Championship out of the U.S. What's this world coming too...
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Old May 5th, 2005, 06:10 PM
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That's right folks, you heard it here first...American golfer, and PGA Class A Professional, jcgolfpro, wants to move the PGA Championship out of the U.S. What's this world coming too...
Nice edit there American chop...don't you have some batteries to change, condo slave?
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Nice edit there American chop...don't you have some batteries to change, condo slave?
LOL, I've only got a few to go...
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Pleased to see and say that the growing number of non-American professionals playing on the (U.S.) P.G.A tour is not an issue with American golf fans...it appears to be a non-issue issue , so to speak..!

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Old May 5th, 2005, 08:45 PM
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I LIKE the non-US players playing. They have more of a commitment to The Heritage than the US players...it should be renamed The Heritage International.
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Old May 6th, 2005, 04:50 PM
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I'm all for the best players in the world playing as many tournaments together as possible. More power to the "international" players for making the commitment to play on the PGA Tour. There may be a day when the PGA Championship is played outside the United States but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Old May 6th, 2005, 06:46 PM
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I don't think this would ever be considered. I certainly would not hope so. That's just not the American way. Bring your best and let them climb as high as they can.
droogy33, I too hope the (U.S.) P.G.A Tour doesn`t decide to restrict the number of "international" professionals competing in America. However, the more I think about it the more convinced I am that it`s going to happen, if this trend continues. It may be 15 or so years down the line...but I think it`s `in the post` as they say.

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Old May 7th, 2005, 10:14 AM
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As these tours 'left out in the cold' have provided more players in top twenty than USA ,how dejected are the fans?

The reality is that the overseas players play the USPGA tour because of the silly cash and the ranking points. Their places are taken by hungry young pros and the cycle continues. That's why a little country like Britain has more players under 30 years of age in the top 100 than USA, and why the Walker Cup is over here still.

A World Tour would benefit all golf, including USA , because all Tours would have the top players with a second level aching to get to the top.

1. If a golfer doesn't succeed on the World Tour, will he be ineligilbe next year?

2. Will there be a 36 hole cut for these events?
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Old May 7th, 2005, 01:58 PM
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1. If a golfer doesn't succeed on the World Tour, will he be ineligilbe next year?

He would revert back to the tour from where he came.If you took the top 75 as automatic ,No 76 would qualify for the World events on his native Tour ,but not those outside. Simple really.

2. Will there be a 36 hole cut for these events?

Of course.It would be the same tournaments played now, but with higher purses and more open fields, improving the quality.

For example, take the Doral Open, the filed would be top 75 in world rankings , plus top 75 of the remaining players on USPGA Tour,plus sponsors invites ,givng a total of 158.

The Irish Open would be top 75 in World ranking s plus next 75 in European rankings ,plus sponsors.

With three majors and more events in USA , there would still be some bias to USA based players , but that is realistic.
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droogy33, I too hope the (U.S.) P.G.A Tour doesn`t decide to restrict the number of "international" professionals competing in America. However, the more I think about it the more convinced I am that it`s going to happen, if this trend continues. It may be 15 or so years down the line...but I think it`s `in the post` as they say.

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Personally, I wouldn't bet on that happening, CBC.
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Old May 13th, 2005, 05:54 PM
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In 1984 ,two overseas players finished in the top 20 of the money list.
In 1994, five overseas players finished in the top 20 of the money list.
In 2004 ,nine overseas players finished in the top 20 of the money list.

This season , there are 11 overseas players in the top 20.

Are the USA players getting weaker, or are the rest of the world getting stronger?
I certainly hope were not getting stronger, comparatively speaking. Lets look at The Open Championship and track top ten results for the past 10 years. Points awarded: 10 for 1st place, 9 for 2nd, 8 for 3rd, and so on:

By Country:
USA: 258 points...... 8 Open Champions
SAF: 61 points...... 1 Open Champion
ENG: 55 points
AUS: 47 points
SWE: 41 points
IRE: 33 points
DEN: 26 points
FRA: 24 points
FIJI: 15 points
SPN: 14 points
NZL: 13 points
ITA: 11 points
ARG: 11 points
SCO: 10 points...... 1 Open Champion
Wales: 9 points
GER: 8 points
CAN: 8 points
JPN: 7 points
FIN: 2 points

USA: 258 points, 8 Open Champions
EUROPE: 244 points, 1 Open Champion
REST: 151 points, 1 Open Champion

If this analyses were made by currency awarded, the disparity would be much greater as the splits reward the champions much more than the runners up. For example, in 2004 1st place took £720000, while 2nd took £430000. The majority of US top ten finishes were distributed in positions 1 through 5.

2004:
1. Todd Hamilton, USA, 10 points
2. Ernie Els, SAF, 9 points
3. Phil Mickelson, USA, 8 points
4. Lee Westwood, ENG, 7 points
5. Thomas Levet, FRA, 6 points
5. Davis Love III, USA, 6 points
7. Scott Verplank, USA, 4 points
7. Retief Goosen, SAF, 4 points
9. Mike Weir, CAN, 2 points
9. Tiger Woods, USA, 2 points

2003:
1. Ben Curtis, USA, 10 points
2. Vijay Singh, FIJI, 9 points
2. Thomas Bjorn, DEN, 9 points
4. Tiger Woods, USA, 7 points
4. Davis Love III, USA, 7 points
6. Brian Davis, ENG, 5 points
6. Frederik Jacobson, SWE, 5 points
8. Kenny Perry, USA, 3 points
8. Nick Faldo, ENG, 3 points
10. Sergio Garcia, SPA, 1 point
10. Hennie Otto, SAF, 1 point
10. Retief Goosen, SAF, 1 point
10. Gary Evans, ENG, 1 point
10. Phillip Price, WAL, 1 point

2002:
1. Ernie Els, SAF, 10 points
2. Steve Elkington, AUS, 9 points
2. Stuart Appleby, AUS, 9 points
2. Thomas Levet, FRA, 9 point
5. Shegeki Maruyama, JPN, 6 points
5. Padraig Harrington, IRE, 6 points
5. Gary Evans, ENG, 6 points
8. Thomas Bjorn, DEN, 3 points
8. Scott Hoch, USA, 3 points
8. Peter O'Malley, AUS, 3 points
8. Reteif Goosen, SAF, 3 points
8. Sergio Garcia, SPN, 3 points
8. Soren Hansen, DEN, 3 points

2001:
1. David Duval, USA, 10 points
2. Niclas Fasth, SWE, 9 points
3. Ernie Els, SAF, 8 points
3. Darren Clarke, IRE, 8 points
3. Bernhard Langer, GER, 8 points
3. Miguel Angel Jimenez, SPN, 8 points
3. Billy Mayfair, USA, 8 points
3. Ian Woosnam, WAL, 8 points
9. Sergio Garcia, SPN, 2 points
9. Jesper Parnevick, SWE, 2 points
9. Miko Ilanen, FIN, 2 points
9. Kevin Sutherland, USA, 2 points

2000:
1. Tiger Woods, USA, 10 points
2. Ernie Els, SAF, 9 points
2. Thomas Bjorn, DEN, 9 points
4. Tom Lehman, USA, 7 points
4. David Toms, USA, 7 points
6. Fred Couples, USA, 5 points
7. Paul Azinger, USA, 4 points
7. Loren Roberts, USA, 4 points
7. Pierre Fulke, SWE, 4 points
7. Darren Clarke, IRE, 4 points

1999:
1. Paul Lawrie, SCO, 10 points
2. Justin Leonard, USA, 9 points
2. Jean Van De Velde, FRA, 9 points
4. Angel Cabrera, ARG, 7 points
4. Craig Parry, AUS, 7 points
6. Greg Norman, AUS, 5 points
7. David Frost, SAF, 4 points
7. Tiger Woods, USA, 4 points
7. Davis Love III, USA, 4 points
10. Hal Sutton, USA, 1 point
10. Scott Dunlap, USA, 1 point
10. Retief Goosen, SAF, 1 point
10. Jim Furyk, USA, 1 point
10. Jesper Parnevick, SWE, 1 point

1998:
1. Mark O'Meara, USA, 10 points
2. Brian Watts, USA, 9 points
3. Tiger Woods, USA, 8 points
4. Jesper Parnevick, SWE, 7 points
4. Jim Furyk, USA, 7 points
4. Justin Rose, ENG, 7 points
4. Raymond Russell, ENG, 7 points
8. Davis Love III, USA, 3 points
9. Thomas Bjorn, DEN, 2 points
9. Constantino Rocca, ITA, 2 points

1997:
1. Justin Leonard, USA, 10 points
2. Jesper Parnevick, SWE, 9 points
2. Darren Clarke, IRE, 9 points
4. Jim Furyk, USA, 7 points
5. Padraig harrington, IRE, 6 points
5. Stephen Ames, CAN, 6 points
7. Peter O'Malley, AUS, 4 points
7. Fred Couples, USA, 4 points
7. Eduardo Romero, ARG, 4 points
10. Tom Watson, USA, 1 point
10. Tom Kite, USA, 1 point
10. Shigeki, Maruyama, JPN, 1 point
10. Frank Nobilo, NZL, 1 point
10. Davis Love III, USA, 1 point
10. Robert Allenby, AUS, 1 point
10. Mark Calcaveccia, USA, 1 point
10. Ernie Els, SAF, 1 point
10. Lee Westwood, ENG, 1 point
10. Retief Goosen, SAF, 1 point

1996
1. Tom Lehman, USA, 10 points
2. Mark McCumber, USA, 9 points
2. Ernie Els, SAF, 9 points
4. Nick Faldo, ENG, 7 points
5. Mark Brooks, USA, 6 points
5. Jeff Maggert, USA, 6 points
7. Peter Hedblom, SWE, 4 points
7. Greg Turner, NZL, 4 points
7. Fred Couples, USA, 4 points
7. Greg Norman, AUS, 4 points

1995
1. John Daly, USA, 10 points
2. Constantino Rocca, ITA, 9 points
3. Steven Bottomley, ENG, 8 points
3. Mark Brooks, USA, 8 points
3. Michael Campbell, NZL, 8 points
6. Vijay Singh, FIJI, 5 points
6. Steve Elkington, AUS, 5 points
8. Corey Pavin, USA, 3 points
8. Mark James, ENG, 3 points
8. Bob Estes, USA, 3 points
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