Whether Tiger is hitting 1+ or 2+ clubs over the competition is really moot; He hits what he hits; I proffer what is being overlooked is his supremely dedicated father, mentor and coach, his Dad who launched him on his laudable career, as well as Tiger himself seeking out and retaining the best coaches in the business.
What should give us all pause to reflect upon is Tiger's vehemently opined words that he still feels he is not yet at the peak of his game; A freak, perhaps, but all of the most laudable champions of any competitive venue share a not only a similar calling, but display the same, more than mortal drive...One need to look no further than Lance Armstrong
On an another note; please pray for the family of Thomas Herrion, the 49'ers guard who literally gave it all on the gridiron...May we all never lose sight of what really matters...
Your vocal patterns are fascinating. You wouldn't happen to be a preacher would you?
And as for T. Herrion. Although I have my raw, seething, hatred for the group across the bay I'm still sorry for what happend to him. No one deserves to die that young.
I have a hard time believing that. Tiger is very long, but I don't think he is that long. If that were true then the 5 iron he hit today 230 yards technically would be a 6 iron. Unless you heard this straight from his mouth I am sceptical.
I think Perry also hit a 5-iron on that hole. I remember the announcer sounding skeptical that Perry would hit the same club as Tiger, and said that Perry better "get all of it." Not only did he hit the same club, he hit it longer (pin high).
I think Perry also hit a 5-iron on that hole. I remember the announcer sounding skeptical that Perry would hit the same club as Tiger, and said that Perry better "get all of it." Not only did he hit the same club, he hit it longer (pin high).
Yep, you're right about that. KP is pretty long in his own right though...not longer then tiger but long.
I do, go watch footage from 97-98. Mickelson, Singh, and Els were all 2 clubs shorter. John Daly has always been right around equal with Tiger's distance, if not even longer than Tiger.
Those are the years Tiger was very inconsistant controlling the distances with his irons. He may have been 2 clubs longer than his peers but 20 yards over the green with that extra length didn't help him much. Once he dialed back (and dialed in) his iron play he dominated.
Back to the shot on 16, it was a fantastic shot. We saw some players go into the pond or over the green with wedges. To control the distance that well, under pressure, from 194, is just amazing.
To me, even more amazing was the shot out of the bunker on 16 on Saturday. I believe he had 176. To hit the ball that flush, and have the confidence to hit that shot, was very impressive.
He mentioned it in a press conference....he said his 9 iron has 45 degrees of loft. I don't know the specifics of modern club design, so I don't know if that's a normal 9 iron or not...but I did read and see it.
As mentioned earlier, a standard 9 iron is typically 43 degrees and a wedge is 47 degrees (see the link below for the specs of standard Titleist irons). One point to clarify is that While Tiger's 9 iron is half way between a 9 iron and a pitching wedge in loft, it is likely to be the length of a 9 iron, or maybe a 1/4" - 1/2" longer due to his hieght (6'-2"). So, he's hitting a club that's at least as long as a 9 iron, but lofted between a wedge and a 9 iron. You can confirm the loft on your clubs by going to the manufacturers web site and seeing if they are listed (newer clubs only probably)
Those are the years Tiger was very inconsistant controlling the distances with his irons. He may have been 2 clubs longer than his peers but 20 yards over the green with that extra length didn't help him much. Once he dialed back (and dialed in) his iron play he dominated.
I do remember that being the one flaw in his game when he hit the tour, distance control with his irons. He be over the green or spin it back off the front because he tried to hit everything hard. It sure didn't take him long to get that fixed.
Those are the years Tiger was very inconsistant controlling the distances with his irons. He may have been 2 clubs longer than his peers but 20 yards over the green with that extra length didn't help him much. Once he dialed back (and dialed in) his iron play he dominated.
Totally agree with that one. Even now, he still has a bit of a hard time controlling the spin on his wedge shots because his swing speed is just unbelievable. I can't remember when it was, maybe the 2004 Match Play, where David Toms was telling the media how difficult it really was for Tiger that week to control his spin b/c it had been raining all week long and the greens were soaked. He said something to the effect of, "You guys have no idea how much spin he has to take off his shots to hold these greens." And I remember watching the match between them (I think it was the final of the tournament) and noticing that Tiger was half-swinging on every-iron shot, taking a club more than he needed (perhaps 2 clubs more) so that he could just "baby" it and try to control the spin. He can definitely kill his irons when he wants, but like league said, he can't control them at all. Either he overkills them and they go 30 yards too long or he overspins them and they spin back 50 feet off the front of the green. He's better than he was back in '97-98 with the spin and distance control, and like league said, it's the main reason he began dominating in 1999-2000. :nodsmiley
So if Tigers club's are essentially one less club than normal. Are you trying to tell me that the 9-iron that Tiger hit out of the rough as his second shot on the par-5 at the Western Open out of the rough from 190yds was really a PW!!! David Feherty was right, he really is a freak of nature.
What Feherty said that blew me away wasn't about Tiger....He commented that Stuart Appleby hit 4 drives during the week at the NEC over 400 yards!!! Including one of 427 yds. on #16--a 667 yd long hole.............driver, 7-wood PAST hole-high....now that is 'freak of nature' type of stuff
What Feherty said that blew me away wasn't about Tiger....He commented that Stuart Appleby hit 4 drives during the week at the NEC over 400 yards!!! Including one of 427 yds. on #16--a 667 yd long hole.............driver, 7-wood PAST hole-high....now that is 'freak of nature' type of stuff
Well, Appleby is long but he also tends to have a lower more "piercing" ball flight than most of the long hitters on the Tour. This certainly aids him in getting an extra 20 yards or more of roll vs. other guys. But 4 drives over 400 is definitely crazy and awesome. :nodsmiley
Calm down guys, just because he uses a 45 degree 9 iron doesen't mean its equal to other guys PW. Loft wise, some low lofted PW would be 45, but its not like Tigers 9 has a PW shaft in it.
Seriously, remember Tiger Woods 5 iron on the 15th hole 230 Yards or so, he barely managed to get it onto the green and was lucky to have it roll 10 yards to end up half way accross the green. At least Kenny Perry managed to fly his 5 iron back to the hole for god sakes.
Tiger Woods is long, but theres tons of players just as long, and if they showed other players all day, you would see Tiger isn't the only guy that can pull shots out of his ***.
Sometimes I just think people love Tiger Woods so much they will exaggerate everything useless he does.
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tiger also losses distance onn his tee shot because he hits a high cut with not much roll.if he hit a draw he would probably hit over 400 because you get more roll on a draw
To reiterate yet again, we're here to have civil discussion on golf related topics, which in this case happens to be Tour players. We will tolerate no bashing of players or malicious ill-wishing upon them.
Calm down guys, just because he uses a 45 degree 9 iron doesen't mean its equal to other guys PW. Loft wise, some low lofted PW would be 45, but its not like Tigers 9 has a PW shaft in it.
Seriously, remember Tiger Woods 5 iron on the 15th hole 230 Yards or so, he barely managed to get it onto the green and was lucky to have it roll 10 yards to end up half way accross the green. At least Kenny Perry managed to fly his 5 iron back to the hole for god sakes.
Tiger Woods is long, but theres tons of players just as long, and if they showed other players all day, you would see Tiger isn't the only guy that can pull shots out of his ***.
Sometimes I just think people love Tiger Woods so much they will exaggerate everything useless he does.
Go watch the footage again. In case you don't know, Kenny Perry hits one of the biggest hooks on Tour. He hooks every single shot that he hits, even when it's a pin tucked on the right side of a green. Tiger usually hits a straight shot, and on that particular shot he hit a weak fade which he's been known to do when his body gets ahead of his hands.
Go check Tiger and Kenny Perry's swing speeds and then come back and say that everyone on Tour is equal to Tiger. There are VERY FEW who have 130-140 MPH swings with the driver and 120-130 MPH swings with the irons.
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