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Old September 15th, 2005, 07:39 PM
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On another point, is there anybody who agrees that there should be a matchplay major? The majors supposedly test all facets of the pro's game, but in order to do that, surely you have to play more than one form of golf? I'd like to see the uspga turned into a matchplay major, as it used to be, and have it played around the world.

If i was a touring pro, this matchplay tournament, or the accenture, would be a tournament id like to win.
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Old September 15th, 2005, 08:28 PM
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Kenneth Ferrie vs. Geoff Ogilvie in the finals .... I bet the whole world tunes in to hang on every shot of that one ....
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Old September 15th, 2005, 08:45 PM
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On another point, is there anybody who agrees that there should be a matchplay major? The majors supposedly test all facets of the pro's game, but in order to do that, surely you have to play more than one form of golf? I'd like to see the uspga turned into a matchplay major, as it used to be, and have it played around the world.

If i was a touring pro, this matchplay tournament, or the accenture, would be a tournament id like to win.
A modern day match play major? Never gonna happen. The WGC match play event is the biggest match play event in the world and still many of the top players don't participate. The reasons are obvious.

Have you been talking to Lefty? Suggesting an American major format and location change certainly sounds like something he'd post! Here's a better idea.........Let's let the R & A lead by example and make the British Open a match play event and play it in Hong Kong!
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Old September 15th, 2005, 09:33 PM
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I can't see a matchplay major happening anytime soon, simply because it'd mean there'd be a much greater chance of a nobody showdown in the final, in which case the network execs would be jumping off the buildings.

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I'd like to see the uspga turned into a matchplay major, and have it played around the world.
Why don't you just write a letter to the PGA of AMERICA and ask them to move their major around the world? I'm sure they'd be happy to relocate their entire association to a different country to make that even possible.
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Old September 16th, 2005, 04:04 AM
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Here's a better idea......
We all knew what came next was unlikely to be better or an idea.

We've done the USA 3 ROW 1 thing to death. Possession is 9/10 of the law and reason, so don't expect any change.
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Old September 16th, 2005, 05:44 AM
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isn't it common sense to have the majors of the PGA Tour of America in the States? These majors are considered to be events of the "American" tour and we obviously jealously guard the location of the venues to be played.
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Old September 16th, 2005, 06:06 AM
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isn't it common sense to have the majors of the PGA Tour of America in the States? These majors are considered to be events of the "American" tour and we obviously jealously guard the location of the venues to be played.
No intentions of " crossing swords " with you skaghetti but, the " PGA Tour of America " ????????? I thought it was plainly the Professional Golf Association. The British Open, or " The Open " as its' known is, as it states, a championship that is open to all. Likewise with the United States Open championship, the final major of the season is the PGA which is open to every professional golfer in the world. The Masters, the U.S. Open and the PGA are conducted by the U.S.G.A. but due to the large field of players from all over the world that play in these majors its' more like an international event rather than an American event. Just my humble opinion my friend.
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Old September 16th, 2005, 06:20 AM
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[World class event? No way. .[/quote]

How could it be world class - the only major winners are the current and past US Champions!
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Old September 16th, 2005, 06:59 AM
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No intentions of " crossing swords " with you skaghetti but, the " PGA Tour of America " ????????? I thought it was plainly the Professional Golf Association. The British Open, or " The Open " as its' known is, as it states, a championship that is open to all. Likewise with the United States Open championship, the final major of the season is the PGA which is open to every professional golfer in the world. The Masters, the U.S. Open and the PGA are conducted by the U.S.G.A. but due to the large field of players from all over the world that play in these majors its' more like an international event rather than an American event. Just my humble opinion my friend.
The PGA tour don't "own" or run any of the majors. The Open is run by the R&A, the US Open by the USGA, the PGA by the PGA (as opposed to the PGA Tour), and the Masters by Augusta National GC.
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Old September 16th, 2005, 08:17 AM
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For me, its not about America vs the world in terms of majors, its just about being fair and giving fans around the world a chance to see top class golf. Golf will never grow to be as big as Football, American Football etc if it doesnt expand, and im surprised that nothing has been done about this. A major in Asia would be huge, the galleries would be huge, and same goes for Australia too.

Its a shame that money is ruining any chance of this happening, but in my opinion, the PGA should be exactly that, for Professional Golfers all around the world. America, for sure, is the new 'home of golf' in the modern day, but that doesnt mean every big tournament has to be played there!
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Old September 16th, 2005, 09:43 AM
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These majors are considered to be events of the "American" tour and we obviously jealously guard the location of the venues to be played
At the detriment of the rest of the World
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Old September 16th, 2005, 10:38 AM
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Its a shame that money is ruining any chance of this happening, but in my opinion, the PGA should be exactly that, for Professional Golfers all around the world. America, for sure, is the new 'home of golf' in the modern day, but that doesnt mean every big tournament has to be played there!
Money is not ruining it...I suppose the fact that the Professional Golfers Association of America doesn't want to move the event run by the thousands of PGA Professionals who live and work in America to another country not named America is ruining it. The only major whose association is not tied to a particular country or course is the Open Championship...guess you'd better start looking for one of those worldwide venues.
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Old September 16th, 2005, 11:13 AM
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We all knew what came next was unlikely to be better or an idea.
When dealing with such foolishness, I often have to communicate on the sub par level that those that don't understand that the Majors are going nowhere outside of the USA can understand.

The world of professional golf can't hold, or promote, a decent match play event now (other than the Ryder Cup). It's just silly to think the powers that be would consider changing the format and moving a current major outside of the US or Great Britain. The players themselves don't want to play in, or promote, such an event, as proven by the poor fields in the WGC and HSBC events. The "big names" in this year's HSBC World Match Play finals are exactly the reason the sponsors want nothing to do with match play events.
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Old September 16th, 2005, 11:26 AM
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The only major whose association is not tied to a particular country or course is the Open Championship
I think a little bit of knowledge might help you here. The Open is the oldest championship, and has always been held in Great Britain, primarily in Scotland. It was a major before any of the American majors were an itch in their father's shorts. If any major needs to change ,let's start with the younger ones ,not the first one.

We 've thrashed this to death ,and teh Americans like things the way they are, the rest of the world want to change things to reflect the World as a whole, not the bit governed by the dollar. Reality is that it will not change quickly.

The USPGA is the ulgy duckling of majors , so if one is going to be changed ,that would be tyhe popular one. The MAsters is the weakest field and newest of the Majors and you could argue that should change. I don't see either changing in the slightest. Let's add to the big tournaments, not have handbag fights over things we can not change.

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Old September 16th, 2005, 11:40 AM
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Am I reading this right? Goosen is 12-up?? Good lord. Is this guy on drugs or something? The way he's played the last month or so, I'm starting to wonder. He crushed Ferrie yesterday and is putting a whippin' on Hensby today.
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