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The most common language used in the bar at Royal Jo'burg was Afrikans. I was a member ten years ago ,I think the cage was referred to as the caddie hut ,to a visitor it looked more like a cage.

Funny how the Brits get all the blame for racism in South Africa, but if you study the history ,it's the Dutch descendents who introduced Apartheid.

I did not remain as a member at Royal Jo'burg because of the overt racism ,including the willingnes of members to speak in Afrikans instead of Englishas if I was not in the room.

It appears that you both were members at the same time.

Same club.....different views from different perspectives. Interesting stuff.

Not uncommon when viewing South Africa

Lefty has definitely over reached himself this time - the day the dominant language at Royal Johannesburg is Afrikaans is the day the sky will fall in.

I suggest that anyone who may be interested looks up the membership list (easily done on www.handicaps.co.za) and follows the links to Royal Johannesburg and Kensington. The membership is at least 90% English speaking, even after the amalgamation with Kensington.

We now have Lefty leaving because of "overt racism" (at Royal?) - I presume he refers to the prejudice shown against Jews and other non-WASPs and not overt racism against Africans? In 1995, when he was a member, Royal had a number of African members and I'm pleased to say the majority of clubs in Johannesburg have a significant number of PDSA members (Previously Disadvantaged South Africans).

Since he left SA after the installation of a majority black government can we conclude that he doth protest too much?

Unsurprisingly, Lefty's knowledge of history is also very one-eyed. It certainly wasn't the Dutch who started the North American slave trade and while my countrymen institutionalised discrimination, and took steps to end it, we are doing something to redress the balance - we wait with bated breath for Britain to solve the problems in the countries they abandoned with such alacrity including Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Malawi, Zambia and, last but not least Zimbabwe.

Maybe we should move this thread to "Sports"

Yawn,maybe be we should not bother.

The standard UK response when beaten...................

and petermo has lefty on the ropes after a ruthless counterpunch... is lefty out for the count?

He should be since he always leads with his chin!

No,the standard response when bored.

Funny how boring it is to lose - but then you're English and used to it

Yeah, World Cup holders at rugby, holders of the Ashes ,beat West Indies and South Africa last time we played and holders of the Seve Trophy and Ryder cup.

just goes to show, even blind pigs sometimes find acorns.....and the soccer?