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Old September 11th, 2005, 10:54 AM
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Retief Goosen wins again
Granted it's not the PGA Championship or another big tourney, but Goose now has 3 titles in just over a month's span: The International, China Masters and now the German Masters. Good to see Retief Goosen and Jason Gore both recoever the way they are after that awful final round at Pinehurst this year. Both men have added 3 victories since then.
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Old September 12th, 2005, 02:07 PM
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Granted it's not the PGA Championship or another big tourney, but Goose now has 3 titles in just over a month's span: The International, China Masters and now the German Masters. Good to see Retief Goosen and Jason Gore both recoever the way they are after that awful final round at Pinehurst this year. Both men have added 3 victories since then.

Retief latest win puts him on top of the European PGA Order of Merit. It's quite an accomplishment to win on the U.S PGA Tour and the European PGA Tour. Not only that he's a top player on both tours.
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Old September 12th, 2005, 02:27 PM
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Retief latest win puts him on top of the European PGA Order of Merit. It's quite an accomplishment to win on the U.S PGA Tour and the European PGA Tour. Not only that he's a top player on both tours.
Retief's a great player but with many the European Tour's top players playing regularly on the PGA Tour, it doesn't take much to be leading the Order of Merit these days.
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Old September 12th, 2005, 02:51 PM
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I like Retief Goosen and it's good to see him do well once again.
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Old September 12th, 2005, 10:11 PM
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Looks like Retief will pass Ernie Els in the world rankings, probably next week, and now isn't too far behind Phil Mickelson for 3rd.
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Old September 13th, 2005, 08:17 AM
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it doesn't take much to be leading the Order of Merit these days.

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Old September 16th, 2005, 05:34 AM
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Retief's a great player but with many the European Tour's top players playing regularly on the PGA Tour, it doesn't take much to be leading the Order of Merit these days.
How true - anyone can win the US Open - Els, Campbell, Goosen - should it really be a major?
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Old September 16th, 2005, 05:56 AM
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glad goosen's climbing the world ranking but ***** he's doing it at ernie's expense.
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Old September 16th, 2005, 09:32 AM
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How true - anyone can win the US Open - Els, Campbell, Goosen - should it really be a major?
It's the players Els, Campbell, and Goosen have to beat to win a US Open that make it a major. Anyone can win a US Open? As opposed to leading the Order of Merit? That's laughable, given the disparity of talent between the US Open fields and the minor leaguers that pervade the European Tour.
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Old September 16th, 2005, 10:22 AM
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Fortunately for Andy North, John Mahaffey, Scott Simpson et al anyone can win the US Open! Jason Gore?

The last US Open top 15 makes interesting reading since the talent that we watch week in and week out on the US tour really didn't show up too well -
split 11 all - so much for the major leagues!

Michael Campbell New Zealand

Tiger Woods USA

Sergio Garcia Spain
Tim Clark South Africa
Mark Hensby Australia
Davis Love III USA
Rocco Mediate USA
Vijay Singh Fiji
Nick Price Zimbabwe
Arron Oberholser USA
Bob Estes USA
Corey Pavin USA
Peter Hedblom Sweden
Retief Goosen South Africa
Stewart Cink USA
Fred Couples USA
Ernie Els South Africa
Ryuji Imada Japan
John Cook USA
Peter Jacobsen USA
K.J. Choi Korea
David Toms USA

I seem to recall that the minor leaguers are the holders of the Ryder Cup - it was played on American soil was it not?

Perhaps more attention should be paid to performance in major championships rather than positions on the PGA Trade Union moneylist, don't you think?
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Old September 16th, 2005, 10:40 AM
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Perhaps more attention should be paid to performance in major championships rather than positions on the PGA Trade Union moneylist, don't you think?
OK, let's do that...major winners since 1995:

2005
Tiger Woods (USA)-Masters and Open Championship
Michael Campbell (New Zealand)-US Open
Phil Mickelson (USA)-PGA

2004
Phil Mickelson (USA)-Masters
Retief Goosen (South Africa)-US Open
Todd Hamilton (USA)-Open
Vijay Singh (Fiji)-PGA

2003
Mike Weir (Canada)-Masters
Jim Furyk (USA)-US Open
Ben Curtis (USA)-Open
Shaun Micheel (USA)-PGA

2002
Tiger Woods (USA)-Masters and US Open
Ernie Els (RSA)-Open
Rich Beem (USA)-PGA

2001
Tiger Woods (USA)-Masters
Retief Goosen (RSA)-US Open
David Duval (USA)-Open
David Toms (USA)-PGA

2000
Tiger Woods (USA)-US Open, Open and PGA
Vijay Singh (Fiji)-Masters

1999
Jose Maria Olazabal (Spain)-Masters
Payne Stewart (USA)-US Open
Paul Lawrie (Scotland)-Open
Tiger Woods (USA)-PGA

1998
Mark O'Meara (USA)-Masters and Open
Lee Janzen (USA)-US Open
Vijay Singh (Fiji)-PGA

1997
Tiger Woods (USA)-Masters
Ernie Els (RSA)-US Open
Justin Leonard (USA)-Open
Davis Love III (USA)-PGA

1996
Nick Faldo (England)-Masters
Steve Jones (USA)-US Open
Tom Lehman (USA)-Open
Mark Brooks (USA)-PGA

1995
Ben Crenshaw (USA)-Masters
Corey Pavin (USA)-US Open
John Daly (USA)-Open
Steve Elkington (Australia)-PGA

Looks like USA 31, everyone else 13...does anything else besides the win matter? Looks like some pretty good results for the Americans....but hey, take some comfort in the fact that there are at least 5 Europeans on that list!
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Old September 16th, 2005, 10:45 AM
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glad goosen's climbing the world ranking but ***** he's doing it at ernie's expense.
Maybe. If Goosen wins again this week, he may on the verge of toppling not just Els, but Mickelson for #3 in the world. And the way he's playing this week, I don't know who's going to topple him. He's only a point behind Phil, and he's going to get some solid points for a win this week (if he wins). THis would be his 4th win in 6 events if he pulls through.
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Old September 16th, 2005, 10:47 AM
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So out of 44 majors, 33 held in USA, and USA won 31.

Impressive.
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Old September 16th, 2005, 10:54 AM
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So out of 44 majors, 33 held in USA, and USA won 31.

Impressive.
I didn't know there was such a thing as home country advantage. For the record, the USA won 9 out of the 11 majors played outside the USA too.
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Old September 16th, 2005, 11:14 AM
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I seem to recall that the minor leaguers are the holders of the Ryder Cup - it was played on American soil was it not?

Perhaps more attention should be paid to performance in major championships rather than positions on the PGA Trade Union moneylist, don't you think?
How many of the European Ryder Cuppers play exclusively on the European tour? As if Ryder Cup success has anything to do with professional golf.

Yes, there are great European players but that's not my point. Those great European players play more on the PGA Tour than they do on the Euro Tour. Remove those that play on the PGA Tour and the European Tour is a minor league.

Performance in major championships? It's all about winning them, and your Ryder Cuppers don't fare so well in that department
now do they!
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