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Old January 2nd, 2006, 04:30 PM
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Tiger Woods & Michelle's 1st attempts on the PGA TOUR as sponsor's exemptions and their respective ages:

1st Attempt: Tiger +5 (16), Michelle E (14)
2nd Attempt: Tiger +10 (17), Michelle +9 (15)
3rd Attempt: Tiger +6 (17), Michelle -1 (15)
4th Attempt: Tiger +9 (17), Michelle ???
5th Attempt: Tiger +13 (18), Michelle ???
6th Attempt: Tiger +3 (18), Michelle ???
7th Attempt: Tiger +5 (18), Michelle ???

Running tally vs. par through 3 events: Tiger +21, Michelle +8

and with Tiger's next two at +9 & +13, Michelle looks to increase her lead..... at which time she'll be the same age as Tiger's 1st try (16)

One word: I-R-R-E-L-E-V-A-N-T.

Not the same events, not the same courses, not the same fields, not the same equipment, etc. etc. etc.

Again, she'll miss it.
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Old January 2nd, 2006, 05:02 PM
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One word: I-R-R-E-L-E-V-A-N-T.

Not the same events, not the same courses, not the same fields, not the same equipment, etc. etc. etc.

Again, she'll miss it.
The Sony has great fields with top Europeans and Ernie Els/Vijay Singh participating. The field is good, period. The courses? Well, they're different each week on the PGA TOUR and the players play different ones, yet are compared against one and other at year end by scoring average (Vardon trophy?)
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Old January 2nd, 2006, 05:09 PM
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One word: I-R-R-E-L-E-V-A-N-T.

Not the same events, not the same courses, not the same fields, not the same equipment, etc. etc. etc.

Again, she'll miss it.
Leaguegolf wants us to talk about the Sony Event only, in this thread and I agree with him.

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There is just one item I have to pull you up on though. You said "not the same equipment". The fact is Tiger had the same equipment as his opponents in his first pga events. Michelle has the same equipment as her opponents in her first pga events. Equipment having moved on doesn't matter because so did their opponents equipment.
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Back to the relevant issue.
I voted that she would make the Sony Cut, and then finish in the bottom 50%.
If she makes the cut, I think it wouldn't be by much, and certainly wouldn't expect her to pick up places over the weekend. She would be overjoyed at making the cut and I wouldn't expect her best golf on the weekend, for her first cut made.

The main thing I hope for is a good performance. It is progress that counts. Two solid rounds of golf would be nice.
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Old January 2nd, 2006, 05:48 PM
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I asked everyone to please keep this thread about Wie playing the Sony. There's plenty of room in the 24/7 Michelle Wie thread for useless speculation about Wie and Tiger. If you want to match their careers, take it over there.

Let's keep this discussion on this thread to Wie at the Sony.
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Old January 2nd, 2006, 06:00 PM
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Wie might win the Sony.

Greg Norman may also win the Grand Slam next year.

Annika could be winless on the lpga.

Tiger could split with his wife to marry Pressel.

And one of the over 90's at the Masters could make the cut.
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Old January 3rd, 2006, 03:10 AM
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I asked everyone to please keep this thread about Wie playing the Sony. There's plenty of room in the 24/7 Michelle Wie thread for useless speculation about Wie and Tiger. If you want to match their careers, take it over there.

Let's keep this discussion on this thread to Wie at the Sony.
I can't imagine anyone would ever be matching Tiger's and Michelle Wie's careers Doc! Quite frankly, the only career to match with Tiger's is Jack's, Lord's, Hogan's or Jones', ultimately though probably just Jack's.

I have compared Tiger's and Wie's 1st attempts on the PGA TOUR. Now if you're asking me only to refer to or make that comparison in a certain thread of someone else's choosing............. I just can't promise that, especially if I believe it's germane to a particular discussion. I mean, that would be like starting a thread that pertains to Michelle Wie's junior golf accomplishments, or lack thereof, and asking everyone to limit their discussion of it to that individual thread. Though we've read many references to that record in many different threads, I don't think it's necessary to limit them to a specific thread.
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Old January 3rd, 2006, 08:34 AM
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Hey,
Someone voted that they think she will make the cut and finish in the Top 50.
Identify yourself please.
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Old January 3rd, 2006, 11:34 AM
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Well, January 12 we'll see.

My official prediction: She misses the cut by a country mile. 5 shots or more.
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Old January 3rd, 2006, 11:49 AM
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I can't imagine anyone would ever be matching Tiger's and Michelle Wie's careers Doc! Quite frankly, the only career to match with Tiger's is Jack's, Lord's, Hogan's or Jones', ultimately though probably just Jack's.

I have compared Tiger's and Wie's 1st attempts on the PGA TOUR. Now if you're asking me only to refer to or make that comparison in a certain thread of someone else's choosing............. I just can't promise that, especially if I believe it's germane to a particular discussion.
Like I stated earlier, this thread is about Wie and what happens at the Sony. If you can't keep your posts pertinent to that, then don't post here. If you want to discuss her career, compare her stats to Tiger's, or predict what her future will be, then do so in the 24/7 Michelle Wie thread.
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Old January 3rd, 2006, 12:17 PM
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I think she misses the cut, and personally hope she misses it by a mile. Maybe then we can forget about all of this nonsense.

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Old January 3rd, 2006, 12:28 PM
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I think she misses the cut, and personally hope she misses it by a mile. Maybe then we can forget about all of this nonsense.

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What nonsense?

In any case, I think Wie will be playing the Sony Open for many years to come, whatever about other pga events.
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Old January 3rd, 2006, 12:32 PM
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What nonsense?

In any case, I think Wie will be playing the Sony Open for many years to come, whatever about other pga events.
See how easy it is to keep this thread on topic.
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Old January 3rd, 2006, 01:40 PM
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Wie at the Sony Open 2004:
Driving Distance (Official Distance Holes) Wie 271.0 The Field 279.7
Driving Distance (All Drives) Wie 274.1 The Field 279.5

Drives over 300 yards:
Rd 1 14th Hole 317 Yards
Rd 1 18th Hole 301 Yards
Rd 2 16th Hole 311 Yards
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Old January 3rd, 2006, 01:44 PM
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Wie at the Sony Open 2004:
Driving Distance (Official Distance Holes) Wie 271.0 The Field 279.7
Driving Distance (All Drives) Wie 274.1 The Field 279.5

Drives over 300 yards:
Rd 1 14th Hole 317 Yards
Rd 1 18th Hole 301 Yards
Rd 2 16th Hole 311 Yards
Result: missed cut.
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Old January 3rd, 2006, 02:24 PM
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Result: missed cut.
Here is the result, copied an pasted from the final leaderboard. Hopefully part of the leaderboard wasn't missed out on, in the copying and pasting.
Does this look like a weak field?

Michelle Wie* 72 68 - - 140
Gene Sauers 73 67 - - 140
Grant Waite 72 68 - - 140
Ben Curtis 71 69 - - 140
Chad Campbell 69 71 - - 140
Craig Perks 72 68 - - 140
Darren Clarke 71 69 - - 140
Boyd Summerhays 68 72 - - 140
Daniel Chopra 67 73 - - 140
Stuart Appleby 71 69 - - 140
Brett Quigley 70 70 - - 140
Jim Furyk 67 73 - - 140
Jeff Maggert 70 70 - - 140
Kenny Perry 69 71 - - 140
Dean Wilson 73 67 - - 140
David Morland IV 70 70 - - 140
Rich Barcelo 71 69 - - 140
Zach Johnson 70 71 - - 141
Esteban Toledo 72 69 - - 141
Tripp Isenhour 69 72 - - 141
Roger Tambellini 71 70 - - 141
Brian Kortan 73 68 - - 141
John Cook 70 71 - - 141
Scott Hoch 73 68 - - 141
Ron Castillo, Jr. 69 72 - - 141
David Branshaw 70 71 - - 141
Kris Cox 70 71 - - 141
Tom Pernice, Jr. 67 74 - - 141
Vaughn Taylor 71 71 - - 142
Greg Meyer 74 68 - - 142
Spike McRoy 74 68 - - 142
Chris Couch 71 71 - - 142
David Peoples 70 72 - - 142
Steve Flesch 74 68 - - 142
Hunter Mahan 70 73 - - 143
Chris Smith 71 72 - - 143
Craig Stadler 71 72 - - 143
Notah Begay III 71 72 - - 143
Tim Petrovic 75 68 - - 143
Adam Scott 73 70 - - 143
Dan Olsen 71 72 - - 143
Roland Thatcher 74 69 - - 143
Brian Bateman 73 71 - - 144
Matt Kuchar 73 71 - - 144
Wes Short, Jr. 71 73 - - 144
Jeff Sluman 72 72 - - 144
Skip Kendall 74 70 - - 144
Patrick Sheehan 71 73 - - 144
Blaine McCallister 71 73 - - 144
Yusaku Miyazato 72 73 - - 145
Todd Hamilton 74 71 - - 145
Kevin Hayashi 75 70 - - 145
Tetsuji Hiratsuka 75 70 - - 145
Hirofumi Miyase 73 72 - - 145
J.P. Hayes 74 71 - - 145
John Morse 76 69 - - 145
Kevin Muncrief 73 73 - - 146
Carl Pettersson 74 72 - - 146
Scott Hend 76 70 - - 146
Guy Boros 75 73 - - 148
Jonathan Ota* 74 74 - - 148
Myung Jun Park 76 72 - - 148
Tom Byrum 77 73 - - 150
Dave Eichelberger 79 78 - - 157
Rory Sabbatini WD 78 - - - 78
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