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Hey man, I was catchin' grief for this - from YOU!

I was trying to redeem myself

Dang, I liked O'Hair. What does he have to go out and do this for.

I just do not see the interest in women competing against men. Feminism at its finest.

Did anyone see where a high school hockey team beat the womens olympic hockey team?

This **** is turning out worse than a high school donkey basketball game

Todd

Two years ago we had a pool on the other Golf Message Board (ESPN). I notice some familiar names in the bottom tier.... jcgolfpro was THE MAN!:

Round 1 Round 2 Total
Michelle's Score 72 68 140
oi812m 71 69 140
jcgolfpro 70 70 140
geoffin 69 70 139
Digggy 71 70 141
jimmigan 73 72 145
Boomer3538 77 70 147
stl_card25 74 76 150
mikewisc 75 75 150
JimSomebody 75 77 152
wazmankg 78 74 152
EdSebelius 77 76 153
golfmaniac77 78 75 153
bobnaish 76 78 154
Bulls9999 79 77 156

I get that you don't appreciate women competing in men's events. I disagree, but to each his own. I don't get that it would cause you to no longer like O'Hair. Does that mean people need to have the same narrow minded world view as you for you to like them?

I personally think she has a good chance to make the cut, but I do wish people wouldn't make a big deal over her playing in mens events until she actually performs in a pro mens event.

So far:
21.05% think she will make cut and finish in top 50%.
31.58% think she will miss the cut by 5 shots or more.

So there is a 52.63% majority extremeist element here.

The leaderboard at the Mercedes looks pretty strong.
Does anyone know how many of these guys are playing in the Sony?

PS: I know the Mercedes is for winners, but surely some of them will stay on.

I don't think it's so much a narrow world view that's driving his oppinion (though I like O'Hair, too, and will not dislike him if he plays with her).

Here's something I thought of the other day: there have been any number of sponsor's exemptions who have won on the PGA Tour - Tiger, Phil (as an amateur), and several others. Don't you think it's a reasonable requirement or expectation that someone recieving a sponsor's exemption should actually be able to compete for the title, not just hope to make the cut? I mean what's to stop the sponsor from giving an exemption to his brother-in-law?

Regardless of what your position is as to Michelle making the cut or not (and she won't), NOOOOOOOOOOOOBODY could ever possibly expect or argue that she even has a *REMOTE* chance to actually win. She doesn't, and we all know it - there is absolutely ZERO chance of her winning the Sony Open.

So why does she deserve the chance to compete? Everyone else there has at least an outside chance of winning - everyone. Except Miss Wie.

She doesn't belong there, pure and simple. She's done nothing to deserve the invitation and has absolutely no chance of winning!

There have been a lot of hotshot phenoms at 14 or 15 that just can't play golf when they mature, its happened too often. While I'd like to see Michelle succeed its only a gamble.

Girl ... get out and pay your dues ... then come back for the guys in, say, 5-10 years.

Sponsor's exemptions have often been given to people with no chance of winning.. as in none. Guys that are far less skilled than Michelle. Mark Rypien & Rick Rhoden are 2 that come to mind. There have been literally dozens over the years.

Sponsors may offer exemptions to anyone they well please -> Sponsors are capitalists -> they are profit-motivated -> Michelle sells tickets -> As long as that's the case she'll continue to be invited -> it doesn't get any purer or $$$impler the that !

Anyone in the field is technically competing for the title and the tournament sponsor can give an exemption to his mother-in-law if he/they want to.....and definitely would if the mother-in-law would sell as many tickets or garner as much media attention for the tournament as Wie does.

I happen to agree with you on this one, but I've got two words for you.........Francis Ouimet

Now we disagree. She belongs because she was invited, she'll sell more tickets and create more publicity that all but the top 2-3 players, and millions will watch the Sony because she's playing. Of course of those millions only a very small percentage can tell you who actually won the Sony last year but most will be able to tell you Wie missed the cut. Like it or not, this tournament has become the Wie Show......and the sponsors love it.

When Tiger got his first exemptions he had no chance of winning either, you could even claim that he hadn't a chance of making the cut, such were his performances. Therefore Wie's sponsor's exemption is not unique, in that she has no realistic chance of winning the title. There have been many other cases the very same.


Everyone has a realistic chance of winning except Wie?

No they don't. Perhaps someone could post a list of the final entries when they come out.
I would have absolutely no trouble in picking 5 names of players who have no chance of winning, and then we can check how they do in the tournament.

When the final tournament roster is released to the public we should be able to find it. I'm not a fantasy golf player but I follow professional golf as much, or more, than the next guy and I believe there will be at least 5 players competing at the Sony that I've never heard of. It would be interesting to find out just how many players are local qualifiers, or playing on sponsor's exemptions. Wie may be the head-liner but she won't be the only one at the Sony playing on a sponsor's exemption.

Absolutely. Every other player in that field has a *chance* of winning. She does not.

We'll see how you feel about that when the roster comes out and you see some of the other "stiffs" that got an invite.