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Old January 12th, 2006, 10:06 PM
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Wie Camp--Time to panic?

Not really, it is an anomaly, she will survive this like she survives the LPGA US Open fourth round debacle.

Now lets see things in perspective, here are the results of Tiger Woods when he was 18 and 19 years of age. Note that these are also sponsor exemptions.

2/28/93 Nissan LA Open MISS CUT 74 78
3/14/93 Honda Classic MISS CUT 72 78
5/16/93 GTE Byron Nelson MISS CUT 77 72

3/20/94 Nestle Invitational MISS CUT 80 77
6/12/94 Buick Classic MISS CUT 75 70
7/03/94 Motorola Open MISS CUT 74 75
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Old January 13th, 2006, 04:17 AM
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Hold on there. I'm a Michelle supporter, but take another look at your thread title and then your argument. Tiger's "camp" at that age did not include 2 major sponsors and truckloads of cash banking on the continuation of Wie-mania. The girl needs to get it together... tomorrow... an LPGA event...anywhere quickly. Another round today like yesterday and I can see interest in next years Sony & the John Deere Classic( or whatever PGA event she's scheduled for next) drop like a rock.
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Old January 13th, 2006, 09:45 AM
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Hold on there. I'm a Michelle supporter, but take another look at your thread title and then your argument. Tiger's "camp" at that age did not include 2 major sponsors and truckloads of cash banking on the continuation of Wie-mania. The girl needs to get it together... tomorrow... an LPGA event...anywhere quickly. Another round today like yesterday and I can see interest in next years Sony & the John Deere Classic( or whatever PGA event she's scheduled for next) drop like a rock.
I think her sponsors are laughing all the way to the bank! How much TV and news coverage did any of the guys that shot 79 get? Her sponsors are definitely getting their moneys worth.

There will always be interest when a woman plays in a men's event. Eventually she will even make the cut in one of these events, and that will be big news.
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Old January 13th, 2006, 09:58 AM
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There will always be interest when a woman plays in a men's event. Eventually she will even make the cut in one of these events, and that will be big news.
I fail to see the newsworthiness of that. It's already been done 60 years ago by Babe Zaharias - for it to be news she'd have to not only make the cut, but finish in the top ten - anything else is hype and media manipulation in my book
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Old January 13th, 2006, 11:30 AM
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I fail to see the newsworthiness of that. It's already been done 60 years ago by Babe Zaharias - for it to be news she'd have to not only make the cut, but finish in the top ten - anything else is hype and media manipulation in my book
News worthiness has little to do with media attention these days.
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Old January 13th, 2006, 12:21 PM
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this is exactly why society is so corrupt, ordinary people like most of us on this board who live ordinary lives and dont have money to **** away would relish in the opportunity to be able to play as good as these guys on the PGA tour do day in and out, but Michelle Wie hasnt even proved herself on the LPGA tour, even the best woman golfer in the world couldnt make the cut on the PGA tour, although she gave it a great run....im sick of this girl doin this publicity stunt for money instead of playing where she should be playing. she takes away a spot from someone who might struggle all year to keep their card.

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Old January 13th, 2006, 12:26 PM
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..but Michelle Wie hasnt even proved herself on the LPGA tour, even the best woman golfer in the world couldnt make the cut on the PGA tour, although she gave it a great run....im sick of this girl doin this publicity stunt for money instead of playing where she should be playing. she takes away a spot from someone who might struggle all year to keep their card.
Amen.
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Old January 13th, 2006, 12:49 PM
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Personally I am tired of this story. Wie has yet to prove she can win at any level, amateur or professional. It mystifies me how sponsors give her an exemption to play on a PGA tour event based her performance on the golf course. She is all about publicity. What amazes me is on Golf Digest listing of earnings for tour performance and endorsements for 2005 I think she was 15th when she hadn't won one dollar as a professional. She was above some very excellent golfers on both the LPGA and PGA tours. IMO she has no business playing on the PGA tour. Annika who is the best female golfer by far was unable to make the cut at a PGA tour event so how in the world does Wie think she can. What annoys me is that the media fuels the fire. There are stories out there much more interesting than Wie's. For example Bubba Watson and David Toms to mention a few. But I didn't see ESPN interviewing Bubba after he bettered Wie's score by 12 strokes.
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Old January 13th, 2006, 06:53 PM
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I fail to see the newsworthiness of that. It's already been done 60 years ago by Babe Zaharias - for it to be news she'd have to not only make the cut, but finish in the top ten - anything else is hype and media manipulation in my book
60 years ago. Do you not think that was quite a while ago?

That was completely different in golfing terms. The game these days is a completely different game.

Making a cut these days, would be a far greater achievement.
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Old January 13th, 2006, 07:05 PM
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60 years ago. Do you not think that was quite a while ago?

That was completely different in golfing terms. The game these days is a completely different game.

Making a cut these days, would be a far greater achievement.
It probably would be.....but history is safe this week.
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Old January 13th, 2006, 08:11 PM
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she takes away a spot from someone who might struggle all year to keep their card.
FWIW, those who actually have their card can play in any non-invitational event I believe.
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Old January 13th, 2006, 08:24 PM
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60 years ago. Do you not think that was quite a while ago?

That was completely different in golfing terms. The game these days is a completely different game.

Making a cut these days, would be a far greater achievement.
I don't necessarily agree with that. In fact, I believe a pretty strong case for the opposite viewpoint can easily been made, i.e. that it would be relatively easier for a professional sportswoman to go up against men in an event today than it was 60 years ago. Think about it for a second, what was the history of professional sports for women at that time, how many female pros were there in any sport at that time vs. how many male pro athletes ??

As to the game being different, that's true - but it's different for both men AND women. I suspect that technological advances in golf equipment over the last 60 years have probably benefitted women more than men, relatively speaking, making it easier for a woman to keep up with the men (and thus make the cut) ...
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Old January 13th, 2006, 09:44 PM
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I don't necessarily agree with that. In fact, I believe a pretty strong case for the opposite viewpoint can easily been made, i.e. that it would be relatively easier for a professional sportswoman to go up against men in an event today than it was 60 years ago. Think about it for a second, what was the history of professional sports for women at that time, how many female pros were there in any sport at that time vs. how many male pro athletes ??
As to the game being different, that's true - but it's different for both men AND women. I suspect that technological advances in golf equipment over the last 60 years have probably benefitted women more than men, relatively speaking, making it easier for a woman to keep up with the men (and thus make the cut) ...
I agree with that. What the Babe did was much more out of the box

Whether or not it was harder to accomplish once she was in the field is another story. She qualified for a tournament and regardless of whether Michelle Wie ever does that The Babe will always be the first.

I think the Babe would be Michelle's biggest fan.

Cheers
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Old January 13th, 2006, 11:20 PM
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I agree with that. What the Babe did was much more out of the box

Whether or not it was harder to accomplish once she was in the field is another story. She qualified for a tournament and regardless of whether Michelle Wie ever does that The Babe will always be the first.

I think the Babe would be Michelle's biggest fan.

Cheers

Exactly...and gender notwithstanding you're talking about probably the best athlete who ever lived.
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Old January 14th, 2006, 08:43 AM
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I think her sponsors are laughing all the way to the bank! How much TV and news coverage did any of the guys that shot 79 get? Her sponsors are definitely getting their moneys worth.
BINGO, could not have typed it any better.

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