Enough of the publicity stunts for money Michelle, go to the LPGA where u belong!
Sorry but this publicity stunt has gone too far, she obviously hasnt proved shes good enough to compete on the PGA tour, since she has now had 4 tries and hasnt made a cut on her home course. think of how bad she would do here in the states. Dont get me wrong, she has way more talent than I do right now, and i respect that, but I dont respect her way of going about playing golf tournaments....annika tried and came very close, and shes by far way better than Michelle....she needs to go to the LPGA tour and learn to compete with women before she tries to compete with the men....then maybe if she can dominate on the LPGA tour with WINS, not just seconds and top fives, then maybe give it another shot on the PGA tour, but its obvious she dont have what it takes to be competitive with the men.
Im just frankly sick of the fact that its all about money and publicity, when she takes a spot from someone who could use that spot for another tourney as a chance to secure their card for next season, because there are plenty of guys who struggle all year to make enough money who play golf for a living, and are NOT RICH! unlike michelle who has a huge bank account backing already.
you raise some interesting and valid points to we which i agree whole- heartedly. however, her appearances at these events does draw lots of people. the perfect example is last years John Deere Classic, which is a second tier tournament, the attendance was nearly doubled b/c of her competing there. tournaments like that need support from the fans and michelle helped with that. you probably already know this but hawaii is part of the united states.
I AGREE. WIE SHOULD STAY WITH THE WOMEN WHERE SHE BELONGS. SHE IS OBVIOUSLY VERY GOOD, BUT WHEN YOU TAKE A SPOT AWAY FROM A GUY WHO'S TRYING TO FEED A FAMILY I DISAGREE. MONK
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Originally Posted by wy3134
Sorry but this publicity stunt has gone too far, she obviously hasnt proved shes good enough to compete on the PGA tour, since she has now had 4 tries and hasnt made a cut on her home course. think of how bad she would do here in the states. Dont get me wrong, she has way more talent than I do right now, and i respect that, but I dont respect her way of going about playing golf tournaments....annika tried and came very close, and shes by far way better than Michelle....she needs to go to the LPGA tour and learn to compete with women before she tries to compete with the men....then maybe if she can dominate on the LPGA tour with WINS, not just seconds and top fives, then maybe give it another shot on the PGA tour, but its obvious she dont have what it takes to be competitive with the men.
Im just frankly sick of the fact that its all about money and publicity, when she takes a spot from someone who could use that spot for another tourney as a chance to secure their card for next season, because there are plenty of guys who struggle all year to make enough money who play golf for a living, and are NOT RICH! unlike michelle who has a huge bank account backing already.
Devil's advocate: (these comments may or not be believed by the other side of this brain)
Ok, why in the heck should she? This IS America if I'm not mistaken, and the goal here is the "dream". Taking care of your family first and then as your influence grows, be able to help others. With that said, isn't it perfectly clear that she can make more money by what she's doing? Isn't it also perfectly clear that these types of comments are made because it's what WE want to see or expect? And to that I would say, why should they?
That's like me telling anyone (insert name) that they should quit their job and volunteer their time to charity and just live on the most modest of means.
You could do so much for others and be such a better person. I'm sure most would quickly tell me where I could go if they had a family to support.
So my point is: Stop thinking your expectations of what Michelle should do, matches her goals and intentions. She may not ever have had a goal of winning an LPGA event. Her goal could be to make as much as she can and get out. Her goal could be to compete against the best and that is on the PGA tour. We don't tell men who have NEVER won to stop trying just because they miss a cut. When they get an exemption or qualify, they don't say no thanks.
And there are a LOT of exemptions that go to undeserving players.
And to the point of "taking a spot from a man trying to feed his family." nonsense - > that man knows his risks of playing out there, and should have a plan B if needed. If not, he will do whatever it takes to improve and stop being in the position of being dropped because of one exemption spot, and take care of "said" family or get another job.
Fair points, but this looks like the first time she will finish dead last, right? So in the other cases, were she beat some of these starving men, should the people who finished last be told to leave and make room for other golfers whose families are starving as well? I can't imagine what it must be like to only live off of $500,000 (Brian Bateman, 150th in money list last year).
Oh, but MW gets in without qualifying, I posted what she needs to do in another MW thread - I agree, she's not ready - but take this example from what Butch Harmon did to Adam Scott last year after he finished behind MW at Sony. He put pictures of her all in his locker - the point being, play better.
Again.......Wie is not taking , has not taken, nor will she ever take a spot from a deserving PGA Tour player. Sponsors can invite whom ever they choose. The reason you don't hear tour players complaining about "a spot being taken away" is because they know that's not the case.
Everyone can point out any number of reasons why Wie shouldn't be playing, but "taking a spot" shouldn't be one of them.
I am definitely in agreement that at this point, she needs to put the dreams about playing against men aside for awhile, but not forever. My only other comment is the point that is continually debated about taking a spot away from another capable player. Last year in the final regular season event, the Southern Farm Bureau Classic, a sponsors invite was given to Loren Roberts. I will concede that Loren Roberts has earned such an exemption, but my problem is that in this case, he has no need for the money or the experience. He was finishing up an incredibly successful year on the Senior PGA Tour and decides that in the last event of the PGA year, he will take a spot away from another probably deserving and financially strapped player. Someone who was trying to make their year or the top 125, but yet not word about it. To me, Michelle taking a spot in the first full field event of the year is not that big of a deal. Though again, she certainly needs to see that she is way of her league for the time being and play where she can honestly compete.
my point being about the sponsor exemption, with it being early in the season, not all the top golfers in the world play, so the guys who arent the best in the world have a chance to play more, hence make more money and get an early start to securing their card....because once the top players in the world start in on their schedule, those guys sitting around 125-250 in the world rarely get a chance to play during the June-July-August-September months, which is a good chunk of the PGA tour schedule. to say there are some undeserving guys out there that get exemptions is ** just because they dont finish well in a tournament. for instance, say someone misses the monday qualifier by a shot, and a sponsor sees they might have potential, they might give them a shot in an upcoming tournament, but that player has a bad outing that week....is it fair to never give that guy another opportunity? i think people look at exemptions the wrong way, and even sponsors abuse them in my opinion, in the sense that they are there to give players a chance for which they might not otherwise have had....by saying that, you are saying that if your not a top 125 player in the world, you shouldnt have a chance to play in a tournament, but if i remember correctly there have been some guys who got into tournaments in the past on exemptions, and even being as far down as 9 or 10th on an alternate list to win a major (john daly in the 91 pga at Crooked Stick in Carmel Indiana, which is an amazing course, i might add, and was fun to watch the women play there last fall for the Solheim Cup) but anyway, with how many great golfers there are out there, you cant say that one guy might not come out of the woodwork and have a career week, and win....the point of the PGA tour is to have the best of the best, but not by simply just having the top 125 in the world and no others. thats what keeps golf so competitive
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my point being about the sponsor exemption, with it being early in the season, not all the top golfers in the world play, so the guys who arent the best in the world have a chance to play more, hence make more money and get an early start to securing their card....because once the top players in the world start in on their schedule, those guys sitting around 125-250 in the world rarely get a chance to play during the June-July-August-September months, which is a good chunk of the PGA tour schedule. to say there are some undeserving guys out there that get exemptions is ** just because they dont finish well in a tournament. for instance, say someone misses the monday qualifier by a shot, and a sponsor sees they might have potential, they might give them a shot in an upcoming tournament, but that player has a bad outing that week....is it fair to never give that guy another opportunity? i think people look at exemptions the wrong way, and even sponsors abuse them in my opinion, in the sense that they are there to give players a chance for which they might not otherwise have had....by saying that, you are saying that if your not a top 125 player in the world, you shouldnt have a chance to play in a tournament, but if i remember correctly there have been some guys who got into tournaments in the past on exemptions, and even being as far down as 9 or 10th on an alternate list to win a major (john daly in the 91 pga at Crooked Stick in Carmel Indiana, which is an amazing course, i might add, and was fun to watch the women play there last fall for the Solheim Cup) but anyway, with how many great golfers there are out there, you cant say that one guy might not come out of the woodwork and have a career week, and win....the point of the PGA tour is to have the best of the best, but not by simply just having the top 125 in the world and no others. thats what keeps golf so competitive
The point remains that the sponsor can invite his brother-in-law if the brother-in-law has a low enough handicap. Professionals gain entry by their earned playing status (like Daly did) and sponsors are allowed a small number of Sponsor's Exemptions per tournament. The sponsor's don't care about some struggling nobody that will bring very little, if anything, to the tournament. There's not a player in the world, beyond those that qualified for the Sony, or those that chose not to play, that would bring to the tournament what Wie has. They probably would've played better but Wie adds dollars, they don't.
The bottom line concerning who plays in a PGA Tour event and who doesn't is are you good enough with your clubs, or does you presence add something to spur fan interest. Of course the occasional "brother-in-law" type gets in too!
your right, and thats why i believe that the PGA tour isnt the best tour in the world, or any tour is in fact, its just a rich mans game, which is very tough for an ordinary middle working class person to make....there are tons of players out there way better than guys on the PGA tour....
your right, and thats why i believe that the PGA tour isnt the best tour in the world, or any tour is in fact, its just a rich mans game, which is very tough for an ordinary middle working class person to make....there are tons of players out there way better than guys on the PGA tour....
Just out of curiosity........What is the best tour in the world and who are these tons of players that are way better than PGA Tour players?
Just out of curiosity........What is the best tour in the world and who are these tons of players that are way better than PGA Tour players?
first of all, dont get me wrong, there are a ton of good golfers on the PGA tour, and I would love nothing more than to play on the PGA tour and win all that money and fame and everything, ****ill admit thats my dream
BUT
the tour is just a rich mans version of supposedly the best golfers....people believe that a professional tour is "the mecca" of who the best golfers are....but i know many guys that hold +2 and better handicaps that just enjoy playing the game at their local private clubs and hustle specifically at the local courses, give these guys who have normal jobs the financial backing so they can quit those jobs and just play golf, and i guarantee they could compete on the PGA tour easily, but they dont have that financial backing that is required to be on the PGA tour as a regular.
i believe i read somewhere that after passing the Q school they require a bank account of like $300,000 or something like that just to start out
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just because they dont finish well in a tournament. for instance, say someone misses the monday qualifier by a shot, and a sponsor sees they might have potential, they might give them a shot in an upcoming tournament, but that player has a bad outing that week....is it fair to never give that guy another opportunity? i think people look at exemptions the wrong way, and even sponsors abuse them in my opinion, in the sense that they are there to give players a chance for which they might not otherwise have had....by saying that, you are saying that if your not a top 125 player in the world, you shouldnt have a chance to play in a tournament, but if i remember correctly there have been some guys who got into tournaments in the past on exemptions, and even being as far down as 9 or 10th on an alternate list to win a major (john daly in the 91 pga at Crooked Stick in Carmel Indiana, which is an amazing course, i might add, and was fun to watch the women play there last fall for the Solheim Cup) but anyway, with how many great golfers there are out there, you cant say that one guy might not come out of the woodwork and have a career week, and win....the point of the PGA tour is to have the best of the best, but not by simply just having the top 125 in the world and no others. thats what keeps golf so competitive
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