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Old January 17th, 2006, 10:37 AM
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Yet again, USPGA ***** everyone else to benefit themselves. And they wonder why no one likes them.
No one likes the PGA Tour, but everyone likes their money. The schedule changes weren't made to ruin or degrade other tours, they were made out of necessity to keep the Tour running smoothly. Note that the PGA Tour didn't release info on the amount of its latest TV contract? It's most certainly because it is LESS than the amount they received in 2001. In the time of the post-Tiger boom, golf is no longer front-page news like it once was and the PGA Tour had to make some bold changes to keep it from being relegated to a blip in the side columns. If the European Tour is that worried about it, they'll find a way to set up their own schedule in 2007 so that the Players' Championship move won't impact the UK swing as much.
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Old January 17th, 2006, 10:40 AM
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true, but then again if the move them a month apart, won't you be more prone to bigger crowds at both of them instead of going 2 weeks in a row......?
Good point. We'll see how it turns out I suppose. I'd rather see them back to back, but travel for PGA Tour pros today isn't really an issue.
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Old January 17th, 2006, 11:42 AM
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not for us...lol...but since i live in the Dallas area now, I would think mama might have a good case if i went two weekends in a row to watch a tourney...but a month apart, time to do honey do's in between, i should be fine....KEY WORD should....
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Old January 17th, 2006, 06:16 PM
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I'm surprized the Canadian Open made the cut. Unfortunatly it has become a tier 2 tourney as of late.


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Old January 17th, 2006, 07:13 PM
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Other Tours do not line up full tour events when the USPGA tour has a Major. It does not make sense to attempt to have two meaningful events at the same time. But USPGA have a full Tour event when the other Major is on. That must be for the passport allegy crowd.

The European Tour hits UK in early MAy, as this is the earliest you would want to bet on English weather. Now the Players has moved, the top end of the food chain will need to play in US , diluting the field.

Yet again, USPGA ***** everyone else to benefit themselves. And they wonder why no one likes them.
Why the need for any of the UK's "top of the food chain" to play outside the UK? No one is forcing them. Regardless, the PGA Tour is a business and I expect they make their decisions based on what's best for the PGA Tour, not what effect those decisions will have on a competing tour.

Wait an American minute! Maybe that's exactly why the PGA Tour made that decision.

No one likes them? Last time I looked there were countless players (worldwide) trying to obtain PGA Tour playing privileges.
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Old January 17th, 2006, 08:43 PM
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Note that the PGA Tour didn't release info on the amount of its latest TV contract? It's most certainly because it is LESS than the amount they received in 2001
If the TV contract has indeed been reduced, then I think this may be partly due the the influx of middle-ranked Non-American professionals that have joined the (U.S.) P.G.A. Tour in recent times.

I can`t imagine an American `Joe-public` rushing home from the ball game/b-b-q in order to watch the likes of Greg Owen, Chopra, Brian Davis, Carl Petterson etc competing for the lead on a Sunday afternoon...even if it is very interesting to watch for the across-the-ponders like myself.

Maybe the sponsors who subscribe to the tv advertising feel the same way, and would therefore consider placing their money elsewhere, to get the biggest bang for their buck...! and this action has (or will) have a knock-on effect on the pricing of the television contracts/rights.

C-B-C...
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Old January 17th, 2006, 08:58 PM
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If the TV contract has indeed been reduced, then I think this may be partly due the the influx of middle-ranked Non-American professionals that have joined the (U.S.) P.G.A. Tour in recent times.

I can`t imagine an American `Joe-public` rushing home from the ball game/b-b-q in order to watch the likes of Greg Owen, Chopra, Brian Davis, Carl Petterson etc competing for the lead on a Sunday afternoon...even if it is very interesting to watch for the across-the-ponders like myself.

Maybe the sponsors who subscribe to the tv advertising feel the same way, and would therefore consider placing their money elsewhere, to get the biggest bang for their buck...! and this action has (or will) have a knock-on effect on the pricing of the television contracts/rights.

C-B-C...

Is it safe for you to wander outside of the Fun & Games section?

You definitely have a point about the average American and their golf watching habits. If the big names are in the hunt the ratings are good. If the big names aren't in the hunt, the ratings are bad. If the big names aren't even playing and the likes of those you mentioned are............the ratings are non-existent.
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Old January 17th, 2006, 10:47 PM
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Moving The PLAYERS to May has lined it up against significant UK events and will hurt the European tour.
No doubt about that, Lefty. The European Tour gets hammered by this. Additionally, with the WGC-CA Championship being held yearly at Doral, it looks like ALL the WGC events will take place in America on a yearly basis.
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Old January 17th, 2006, 11:26 PM
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No doubt about that, Lefty. The European Tour gets hammered by this. Additionally, with the WGC-CA Championship being held yearly at Doral, it looks like ALL the WGC events will take place in America on a yearly basis.
Don't kick the poor guy when he's down.
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Old January 18th, 2006, 12:07 AM
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No doubt about that, Lefty. The European Tour gets hammered by this. Additionally, with the WGC-CA Championship being held yearly at Doral, it looks like ALL the WGC events will take place in America on a yearly basis.
I read somewhere that they are planning on having a WGC event in China in the future...can't remember where though.
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Old January 18th, 2006, 02:27 AM
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Why the need for any of the UK's "top of the food chain" to play outside the UK? No one is forcing them.
The need to be in the top 50 for the WGC events drives the need to play in USA .It appears that the $1mil winners cheques are unsustainable and now the rest of the world will be forced to pay for USPGA's greed.
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Old January 18th, 2006, 08:39 AM
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The need to be in the top 50 for the WGC events drives the need to play in USA .It appears that the $1mil winners cheques are unsustainable and now the rest of the world will be forced to pay for USPGA's greed.
What, you don't get ranking points for finishing high in Euro events?

USPGA greed.......or player's greed? Do you honestly think the Euro Tour would be any different if they were calling the shots?
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Old January 19th, 2006, 02:44 AM
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What, you don't get ranking points for finishing high in Euro events?
As you know ,the stronger the field, the higher the points, hence the consistently higher points on US soil.

The European Tour has shown how to grow ,benefiting other tours ,not hindering them.
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Old January 19th, 2006, 08:31 AM
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The European Tour has shown how to grow ,benefiting other tours ,not hindering them.
Maybe that's why they will always be second fiddle and continue to lose players to the the PGA Tour..........and you didn't answer the question.
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Old January 19th, 2006, 08:37 AM
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Au contraire, by showing how the European Tour has grown without hindering other tours, I have answered the question on the subject of how Europe would react if boot was on other foot.

The European Tour is losing players to USA because the money and ranking points are in the States. When money is elsewhere the overpaid Americans either can not be bothered, or the USPGA insists on asking for releases . If USA went back to 30 years ago, when only Americans were allowed to play in America, who would lose most?
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