Well I just switched my vote to Michelle (RHIP ) given the new circumstances presented by Rodney C. Seeing as it was just announced that Michelle is playing in the 1st 2 events in Hawaii, I think she'll take one of them.
Well I just switched my vote to Michelle (RHIP ) given the new circumstances presented by Rodney C. Seeing as it was just announced that Michelle is playing in the 1st 2 events in Hawaii, I think she'll take one of them.
My vote was with Wie to begin with...playing the events in Hawaii will aid her in her pursuit but I don't think she'll win either of those...that'll come sometime later in the year IMO.
In the U.S. Women's Open, Wie became a non-factor fairly quickly as she shot an 82 in the final round. Pressel was a factor until Birdie Kim holded her bunker shot on the final hole.
As I stated, that was the only time Pressel has finished ahead of Wie in a tournament. It was a very good achievement for Pressel, but it was a Tied 2nd finish. Wie finished 2nd outright at the LPGA championship. So Wie's record in majors is better on that alone, without even mentioning her 3rd and 4th place finishes in majors.
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Originally Posted by Golf Fanatic
In the Women's Publink, Wie lost the final three holes (I think she bogeyed at least two by three putts) to lose the match.
Everytime, Wie is in position to make a cut, she seems to self-destruct except for 2004 Sony Open. The Deere Classic and Japanese events are good examples.
The Casio is a good example. The John Deere Classic is a bit more complicated than that.
Examples of her making the cut, are the US Amateur Publinx, and every lpga tournament she entered in 2004 and 2005. She has made her last 17 lpga cuts by the way. I guess that is 17 exceptions to your rule.
Pressel did very well also in 2005, making all 7 of her lpga cuts and finishing in the top 25 in each event, which would have been touted more if Wie hadn't done better.
As I stated, that was the only time Pressel has finished ahead of Wie in a tournament. It was a very good achievement for Pressel, but it was a Tied 2nd finish. Wie finished 2nd outright at the LPGA championship. So Wie's record in majors is better on that alone, without even mentioning her 3rd and 4th place finishes in majors.
Wie was never a factor in that tournament. She can finish in the top 10, but she cannot contend, because she can't handle thee pressure.
The Casio is a good example. The John Deere Classic is a bit more complicated than that.
Examples of her making the cut, are the US Amateur Publinx, and every lpga tournament she entered in 2004 and 2005. She has made her last 17 lpga cuts by the way. I guess that is 17 exceptions to your rule.
Pressel did very well also in 2005, making all 7 of her lpga cuts and finishing in the top 25 in each event, which would have been touted more if Wie hadn't done better.
I mentioned Wie making cuts in PGA events, not LPGA events. Until she quits worrying about making cuts in PGA events, she will seem to find a way to miss the cut, because she puts too much pressure on herself mentally.
As I stated, that was the only time Pressel has finished ahead of Wie in a tournament. It was a very good achievement for Pressel, but it was a Tied 2nd finish. Wie finished 2nd outright at the LPGA championship. So Wie's record in majors is better on that alone, without even mentioning her 3rd and 4th place finishes in majors.
On the other hand, Pressel was 2 shots out of a playoff while Wie was three shots back...does that make a difference in your mind?
I remember Fred Couples last year saying there is no point in making cuts if you are to end dead last on sunday afternoon...kind of agree with that line of reasoning.
Interesting quote by Fred, but on Friday afternoon, no one knows who is going to end up last and who is going to end up first or anywhere inbetween. So, of course, the first thing that is necessary is to make the cut. There were a few times that Tiger barely made the cut only to end up quite high on the leadboard on Sunday.
Wie was never a factor in that tournament. She can finish in the top 10, but she cannot contend, because she can't handle thee pressure.
She can do alot more than finish in the top 10. In 2005, she finished in the top 3, on 4 occasions from 8 tournaments.
As regards contending, she finished 2nd, 2 shots behind the winner Rosales and was catching her down the stretch in the SBS. Also she took the clubhouse lead. All it would have taken was a Rosales wobble for Wie to have won.
Given that Monty did the same thing a few weeks ago, and the leader took double bogie at the last to give Monty the title, I think you can safely say, Wie contended on that occasion.
On the other hand, Pressel was 2 shots out of a playoff while Wie was three shots back...does that make a difference in your mind?
Not particularly no. If it was 8 shots versus 3 or something it would.
2 versus 3 isn't really that big a deal.
Of more significance:
- Pressel 2nd was behind Birdie Kim, who has won 1 lpga title.
- Wie's 2nd was behind Annika Sorenstam, who has won 66 titles, and was playing on top form.
I remember Fred Couples last year saying there is no point in making cuts if you are to end dead last on sunday afternoon...kind of agree with that line of reasoning.
I wouldn't agree with that.
Making the cut and finishing last is better than missing the cut.
If you make the cut, you make some money, and every position above that you make more money.
In any case, as JudD said, who's to say who would finish last or in any other position.
Not particularly no. If it was 8 shots versus 3 or something it would.
2 versus 3 isn't really that big a deal.
Of more significance:
- Pressel 2nd was behind Birdie Kim, who has won 1 lpga title.
- Wie's 2nd was behind Annika Sorenstam, who has won 66 titles, and was playing on top form.
It was also due to one of the luckiest shots in LPGA history...had that ball not hit the flagstick Morgan probably would have ended up in a playoff, because it may have been right off the other side of the green.
On the other hand, Pressel was 2 shots out of a playoff while Wie was three shots back...does that make a difference in your mind?
Pressel was tied for the lead going to the final hole. Birdie Kim made a miraculous birdie and pressel was forced to go for birdie on the last hole and made bogey. While Wie was three shots behind Annika in the LPGA, she was actually about 8 shots back going into the final round. Wie really had no chance to win as she shot 67 and Annike stumbled a bit.
Pressel was in the heat of contention the whole final round, while Wie was basically a non-factor in ther event.
Wie fans are often accused of talking "what ifs" and "if onlys".
Pressel was beaten fairly in the US Open. Yes she was near the lead, and to her credit, she walked with a swagger throughout the round << that's Pressel by the way.
However, at the end of the tournament she still ended up losing it.
At the time, I was cheering for Pressel. Now I am so thankful that she didn't win it. Think of the comments she has made about Wie since then.
If she had won, some people may have actually listened to those comments. Close one, phew.
That may have been Pressel best major chance for some time. Wie should have many more opportunities to come.
Alot will be told about these two, in the season ahead. Results will tell alot.
That may have been Pressel best major chance for some time. Wie should have many more opportunities to come.
Alot will be told about these two, in the season ahead. Results will tell alot.
How can you be so certain? IMO, Pressel has shown the ability to close out wins from her junior days (level of play may be lower but knowing how to win is knowing how to win), while Michelle has not in a stroke play tournament situation since she was 11 or 12. I'd say they'll both play in many majors and both will do well...if anything, I'd give the edge in the majors to Pressel because she's been there with a true chance to win at the end.
It was also due to one of the luckiest shots in LPGA history...had that ball not hit the flagstick Morgan probably would have ended up in a playoff, because it may have been right off the other side of the green.
And I suppose Birdie Kim was just lucky for the 71 preceding holes to be tied with Pressel going to the final hole.
If the situation were reversed and it was Pressel who made that "lucky" shot, would you be saying she won because of luck or that she won because she knows how to win?
January 21st, 2006, 04:57 PM
) given the new circumstances presented by Rodney C. Seeing as it was just announced that Michelle is playing in the 1st 2 events in Hawaii, I think she'll take one of them.
<< that's Pressel by the way.
she has made about Wie since then.
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