Just off the top of my head...........a couple of men's event's come to mind. I seem to recall her being inside the cut line at the turn and missing the cut with poor back nine performances.
Mens events are a completely different scenario, but since you mention them:
* John Deere: she played extremely well for about 32 holes. In my opinion, she was playing at practically her absolute best at that stage. She made a mistake with 4 holes to go. It is hardly faltering, if you dip below your best momentarily. In my opinion, she has become a much better player since, and if she plays at the level which is now her highest, I think she could have a cushion, going into the back 9 at a mens event.
* Casio Open: sorry to disappoint you, but I agree with you there.
That one you'll have to argue with just about every champion in the game of golf. They all say the back 9 on Sunday is what it's all about.
They usually say, it's about getting in contention for the back nine, because if they can get in contention enough and give themselves enough chances, they should win.
Paula Creamer said that before the Nabisco and she is a golfing genius.
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Originally Posted by mr3856a
Awwwwwww, poor baby!!!
It's not a case of poor baby.
However, you claimed that she had an advantage, and she acutally had a disadvantage. Don't worry too much, the sponsors have instructed the tournament officials to swap hole 18 and hole 2, so next year, Wie will like the 18th hole better.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo, YOU said she had an advantage with her length. You've said that over and over and over and over again.
I, my friend, have said her length is exaggerated and not as much an advantage as some people (ahem...) would like to believe.
Let's be very clear about that.
Actually sorry you are misquoting me there, or maybe just misunderstanding.
Whenever I discussed her length being a massive advantage, that was in the context of a pga tournament. It was discussed how other lpga players would compete if they played in pga tournaments and Wie certainly has the advantage there.
For lpga courses, many of the holes have set ups where there is a dog leg, and that takes away advantage of length, and in some other cases, like on some par 4s, if Wie gave a full drive, she would be going to close to the hole and would rather take something off her drive so that she could be at a better distance for her wedge shot.
It is also a well known fact that Wie uses 3 wood off many tees where many players use driver.
So for lpga, I don't think it is going to give the complete picture, but I do think she will be up near the top in driving stats regardless. Given that the 2 holes where they take driving distances are usually where players would hit a full driver, she should be near the top there. It's the rest of the course where she doesn't really gain quite as much advantage as long male drivers do on pga courses, but she does still get some advantage, and quite a decent amount at that, as does Annika and some others.
Uh-uh, no way, no how. Let's not rewrite history here, Rodney.
Do the words "At an LPGA event, she can leave her long irons in the bag" ring a bell?
Seriously, let's just leave this one be, 'cause you said what you said and we both - in fact we all - know what it was.
You just quoted the first part.
If you read on in my comment, I stated that she does also have an advantage over players in the lpga tournaments.
The massive advantage would be over lpga player if it was a pga course.
She still has an advantage over lpga players on an lpga course. If it is a par 4 and is in any ways straight, she has an advantage and can leave her irons in the bag. This helps more on some lpga courses than others.
On a pga course, she would have an advantage over nearly every hole on the course.
You just quoted the first part.
If you read on in my comment, I stated that she does also have an advantage over players in the lpga tournaments.
The massive advantage would be over lpga player if it was a pga course.
She still has an advantage over lpga players on an lpga course. If it is a par 4 and is in any ways straight, she has an advantage and can leave her irons in the bag. This helps more on some lpga courses than others.
On a pga course, she would have an advantage over nearly every hole on the course.
I quote the first part and ignored the rest, yes? Do you want to know why? Because you've said 1,000 times how much her supposed length gives her an advantage over the rest of the LPGA, Annika included.
A couple of points. First, I'm big MW fan so let me start with where I part company with rodney. There was NO luck in what Karrie Webb did Sunday. That was simply a Hall of Famer & one of the best female golfers in history rediscovering the form that made her so. She executed the perfect shot on 18, which I'm sure everyone will agree was exactly what she was trying to do. Her ball rolled in like a well struck putt. It was going nowhere but the bottom of the cup. She did the same thing with her very difficult pitch on the playoff hole and subsequent clutch winning putt. That was just a Hall of Famer getting it done under intense pressure and if Webb is truly back, we can add her name to Annika's on that very short list of women who Michelle will be looking up to for awhile. As for Michelle choking, she nearly jarred it on 15 to, she thought, take the lead. She turned a difficult 50 footer on 17 into a routine 2-putt. She hit the drive of the day on 18, landed a 5 iron(yes mr3856, a 5 iron) probably a foot or 2 long, pin high 20' on 18 to see it roll just off the back. The fatal mistake, of course, was the wedge from a very tight lie from the back fringe. Her caddy said he agreed with the club selection(if true, he should be looking for work today). Then she lipped out the 15 footer that would've put her in a playoff. She may not have "got it done", but that was no choke, she has nothing to hang here head about and she'll be there again next time... bet on that.
A couple of points. First, I'm big MW fan so let me start with where I part company with rodney. There was NO luck in what Karrie Webb did Sunday.
Bingo! I mean c'mon, that was her 7th LPGA major!!! I also agree Michelle didn't choke, but for all her supposed length, that's kind of dogging it not making the tweet-tweet to tie on 18. Kudos to Lorena for that clutch drive, 5 wood and putt, too - I loved seeing that.
Yet what was shown on the news? Michelle missing the putt to tie followed by the comment from the sportscaster "Karrie Webb went on to win it in a playoff." No video, nothing on Ochoa making eagle to tie.
It's simple, the 16 year old that almost won is better news than the older players who either did win or almost won. Nothing obnoxious there.
Very true. Michelle is THE story in women's golf right now, which is unfortunate in some ways because Annika Sorenstam deserves more pub for her amazing accomplishments so far. But, the LPGA is in for an exciting time with all the young talent coming up and I'm looking forward to seeing it. For perhaps the first time I can remember, the LPGA event usurped the PGA tour event for a week and we should all probably get used to it happening on a more frequent basis.
Because you've said 1,000 times how much her supposed length gives her an advantage over the rest of the LPGA, Annika included.
And he's exactly right. Did you see Wie go driver, 5 iron to the back fringe on the par 5th 18th hole yesterday? Didn't you notice the other ladies laying up (ie. Natalie on the final hole even though she hit one of her best drives) and did you notice Ochoa hitting 5 wood and needing every last ounce of power she could muster just to get there? Has a huge advantage over these ladies.
And, Rodney is exactly right, this would be a particularly big advantage over the ladies if they had to try to beat Wie on a PGA length course.
Anyone that doesn't understand this is just plain confused.
As for Michelle choking, she nearly jarred it on 15 to, she thought, take the lead. She turned a difficult 50 footer on 17 into a routine 2-putt. She hit the drive of the day on 18, landed a 5 iron(yes mr3856, a 5 iron) probably a foot or 2 long, pin high 20' on 18 to see it roll just off the back.
Exactly, and if her 5 iron was 1 foot shorter, it wouldn't have rolled onto the fringe, but would have rolled around and back down the green towards the hole giving her a short eagle putt. So close to a routine birdie and a possible eagle.
Wie's performance was so far from a choke it's crazy. She is more often in position to win a tourney and particularly majors, than any golfer on the LPGA at this time. The statistics prove this. And, she's not even old enough to be on the LPGA. She's a 16 year old and a junior in highschool.
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April 3rd, 2006, 03:49 PM
Let's not rewrite history here, Rodney.
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