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Old April 20th, 2006, 02:04 AM
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That's why the European Tour is considered the minor leagues compared to the PGA Tour. There are ways and solutions to strengthening the Euro tour but none of the current players are doing what it takes to make that happen. If all the top European players skipped a WGC event and held a competing tournament, their tournament would be worth just as many, if not more, ranking points as the WGC event. It wouldn't take "several years" of the top Euro players supporting their own tour to bring about a change.

That method certainly wouldn't be good for the golf fan that wants to see all the top players in the world competing in the same events and I don't think it's ever going to happen. The best players want to play on the best tour against the best players. If the European Tour wants to compete against the PGA Tour for players and events, then the Euro Tour and those that support it have to do more than whine about it.
Assuming the European players skipped a WGC and held their own tourney, wouldnt that tourney be worth LESS ranking points since that tourney would have less ranked players and less of the higher ranked players. I thought strength of field was a big factor in the ranking points. Or I'm confusing this with March Madness!
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Old April 20th, 2006, 03:07 AM
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Errr so I wasnt confusing this with March madness... strength of field does play a big role in points then. RIGHT?

Assuming it does I wonder if the WGC event wouldnt be the event with more points than the separate Euro event, considering that the Europoeans player do not 1 make up the majority of top 100 players OR make up the top players in the WGR.

of course I'm just guessing I'm sure LEFTY would know more about the makeup of the top 100 etc.

As to all the other points you made league... I dont know and havent seen the Euro's complaining about "PGA Tour golf is ruining worldwide golf by luring all the best players" but if thats the case and the contention... I have one word "survival of the fittest!" or I guess thats one phrase...
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Old April 20th, 2006, 03:22 AM
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I don't see anything being done by other tours to stem the flow of the best players in the world flocking to the USA.

We've improved our product to the point that the best players (young & old) want to compete here in America.

Oh that's right......they're over here competing with the best players in the world on some of the best courses in the world and playing for million dollar+ first place checks EVERY WEEK!
The product actually has not improved - sometimes they play on some of the best courses - and they're really ony there for the money, nothing else. Thanks, Tiger!!
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Old April 20th, 2006, 03:46 AM
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As the European players are not in an overall majority in the top 64 (unless you include non European members of the European Tour,such as VJ Ernie Retief etc) , their event per Leaguegolf's suggestion would not have more ranking points.

If the rets of the world put all its players into an event in competition with a USPGA event , everyone would lose. The USPGA expects to control the players by making them ask permission to play outside the USPGA events, hence Ernie Els having to ask permission to play in South Africa . If the whole of the non Americans applied for waivers to play in an event that competed with a largew American tournament, what do you think would happen? The sponsors would be less than pleased. So Leaguegolf's answer is not realistic and would benefit no one.

The European Tour has streched its calendar by co sanctioning events, helping lesser tours at the same time as helping its memberss. USPGA has never helped anyone exceptt hemselves.
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Old April 20th, 2006, 09:12 AM
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The big sponsors are in the US, there is more prize money in the US.

BUT!!!

A foreign player who wishes to play in a FEW events in the US can't. He has to play a stipulated number of events, thus they have to be a member of the PGA Tour.
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Old April 20th, 2006, 11:03 AM
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The question arises 'If something is in the interests of US sponsor and /or US tv , but not in the interest of the game of golf, what should happen ?'

We all know the answer, but are we happy with it?
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Old April 21st, 2006, 09:21 PM
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World Golf Events Changed Masters Invitation Criteria

Because the PGA decided to keep opposite field events along with the World Golf Events, the Masters decided to get rid of allowing tournament winners atuomatic bids for their event, because of the opposite events. The Masters considered giving torunament winners automatic bids again, but because of the "weaker Finish to the top 125" events in the fall and opposite field events, Hootie decided not to do this.

If the golfers want to see torunament winners get an automatic bid to the Masters, they will have to fight to get back to pre-1999 PGA schedule (excpet Players in May) for this to happen.
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Old April 22nd, 2006, 07:25 PM
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Is it in the best interests of the world game to have so called World events only in USA?

Is it in the best interests of the game to damamge non USA events by moving USA big events to a time that clashes with them?

In other words, if the actions of the USPGA damamge the game outside USA , is it in the best interest of the game?

Does moving the Ryder Cup to four days help the competition?
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Old April 23rd, 2006, 05:24 PM
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You are exact;y correct.
Another forum was comparing LPGA to PGA. No one could find the LPGA on TV. My wife used to watch the LPGA on a major network every weekend. One only has to look at the influx of overseas players to see the decline.
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Old April 23rd, 2006, 05:48 PM
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You are exact;y correct.
Another forum was comparing LPGA to PGA. No one could find the LPGA on TV. My wife used to watch the LPGA on a major network every weekend. One only has to look at the influx of overseas players to see the decline.
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...the LPGA Tour doesn`t seem to be too popular here, but I think those ladies show a frightening level of tenacity that`s often lacking on the American mens tour.

The LPGA Tour may have drifted into trouble if the likes of Wie, Pressel, Kerr, Creamer etc hadn`t shown up ! They sure (excluding Pressel) showed some fight in the Solheim Cup...there may be a Tiger on the mens tour, but there`s many a Tigress on the ladies tour! and it is frustrating when you can`t watch it!!!!
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Old April 24th, 2006, 05:44 AM
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If all of the top European players would congregate at their own events, they would be getting those "high points" events on their own soil
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If all the top European players skipped a WGC event and held a competing tournament, their tournament would be worth just as many, if not more, ranking points as the WGC event. It wouldn't take "several years" of the top Euro players supporting their own tour to bring about a change

This is going to happen in 2007. Unless the European players play a lot this year to get an exempt card, they won't get into too many events next year. Because the exempt rules will always fill the the field. They may get a few sponsor invites, but not enough to make OWGR points worth while. They will have to play in theirr home tours.
My wife use too watch LPGA every week on network Tv, Yes that was over 10 years ago, before the influx of overseas players. The PGA Tour saw this.
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Old April 24th, 2006, 06:42 AM
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My wife use too watch LPGA every week on network Tv, Yes that was over 10 years ago, before the influx of overseas players. The PGA Tour saw this.
Don't want those @@@@ foriegners winning our golf tournaments !

Where would USA be if it let foriegners in!
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