it doesn't make much difference to me whether women are allowed as members or not, but it did seem good to see someone stand up for what for what they want and not cave in just to be politically correct.
Oh, that is not a dream ... it was more of a random thought/prediction.
Augusta National is one of the few remaining Men's Only outpost's, and I hope it remains that way.
hmm it's tough for me to decide. i find it offensive when courses have discriminatory policies against colored people, but i don't think it's nearly as bad when they exclude women. i guess growing up i was used to the whole "no girls allowed" type of treehouses and lines being drawn between the girls and guys. guys have their own hangouts but so do the girls. but considering how WASP augusta national is i guess it wouldn't be so bad to open its gates to more people, regardless of who they may be.
Augusta National is a PRIVATE club and has the legal right to determine who becomes members and who doesn't. If the Boy Scouts allowed girl members it wouldn't be the Boy Scouts now would it.
For the record. Augusta National's golf course does not exclude women. Women have, and do, play the course regularly. It's membership to the club that excludes women and as a PRIVATE club, there is nothing wrong with that.
i never said there was anything wrong with them denying membership to women. many facilities and institutions are still all-male/all-female and rightfully so as they protect the interests of its members (although a golf course/country club would not fall under this qualification). and yes, they are a private club and can do as they see fit. however, just because they have the legal right doesn't mean it's a moral one. i'm just speaking the mind of the folks that are affected by their policies. being a white male such as yourself, it's not as sensitive a matter to you as it is to others. but maybe if you were on the other side of the fence (pun intended) you might understand where we are coming from. i'm not saying they should change their policies, just wishful thinking on my part
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Gee, what's so immoral about all male membership at a golf course/country club? "Affected by their policies?" Sorry, but you'll have to fill me in on how Augusta National's policies affects anyone but the membership of Augusta National and how the color of my skin makes me any less sensitive or any less "affected" by those policies.
despite what you may think, their membership policies are immoral. sure they're a private club and get to do whatever they want but it doesn't make it right. nobody should/can force them to change but that doesn't mean i have to agree with them. augusta national didn't have any black members prior to the 1990's and they obviously realized that that needed some changing. and you're right their policies don't affect anyone but the membership of their club in practice but theoretically it's just a little troublesome. just knowing that some of us could never become members because of our race and gender makes us a little more sensitive to these discriminatory practices than, say, someone like yourself. if you found yourself in a position to join the club, you MIGHT be able to become a member, whereas someone like myself probably could not. anyway, we're deviating from the original purpose of this thread so i suggest we drop this topic. i was only expressing wishful thinking and i am well aware of their status as a private institution which entitles them to do what they want. i have no problem with that and i understand things are what they are.
He did a very good job and I hope the successor follows though with many of the programs Hootie put in motion.
When I became a Patron in 2001 I took my son with me. We were standing at the practice green behind the 10th tee watching Tiger warm up. Hootie was standing there so I went over , introduced my son and I to him and and thanked him for adding all the new Patrons. He thanked me for coming over . He went on talking to my son (who was about 12 at the time) about how he should take up golf as it is a lifetime sport and joked about maybe seeing my son tee it up at Augusta one day.
The pep talk did not work. My son is now 18 and just started golfing this year. No Masters Jacket for him in the future!!!!
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despite what you may think, their membership policies are immoral. sure they're a private club and get to do whatever they want but it doesn't make it right. nobody should/can force them to change but that doesn't mean i have to agree with them. augusta national didn't have any black members prior to the 1990's and they obviously realized that that needed some changing. and you're right their policies don't affect anyone but the membership of their club in practice but theoretically it's just a little troublesome. just knowing that some of us could never become members because of our race and gender makes us a little more sensitive to these discriminatory practices than, say, someone like yourself. if you found yourself in a position to join the club, you MIGHT be able to become a member, whereas someone like myself probably could not. anyway, we're deviating from the original purpose of this thread so i suggest we drop this topic. i was only expressing wishful thinking and i am well aware of their status as a private institution which entitles them to do what they want. i have no problem with that and i understand things are what they are.
Is it immoral that as a man I cannot join the YWCA, but a woman can join the YMCA?
Is it immoral that as a man I cannot join the YWCA, but a woman can join the YMCA?
i think that's entirely different. some co-ed facilities create potential security risks. women have been photographed naked with camera phones and such at co-ed gyms and sometimes it's necessary to let them have their own facilities. also, have you ever really tried to join the ywca? around here the ywca is open to men and i used to volunteer there. Men can volunteer, donate and become associate members, fyi.
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