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Old May 16th, 2006, 03:46 AM
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is Sergio Going Backwards?

it seems in the past couple of tournaments ( i dont know the exact stats, only from what it says on the hole by hole thingy on pgatour.com )he's holing the 10 footers + etc.... but his approach shots and drives have been finding a lot of rough, i know the last few courses on the us tour have a few hard fairways to hit, but it seemed he was hitting rough, then bad approach shots
in the rough again or well short or long of the green. i believe S.Garcia as 1 of the best ball strikers on the tour, and at the moment one of the worst putters, but in the last few rounds he's played it seems he's swapped over. could this be concentrating too much on his putting????
if sergio had the all round game, i believe he could well be number 2 in the world and possible number 1. he's only young and many, many years to reach his full potential, and when ( not if ) he does, he will be very hard to beat. if someone knows the exact stats from the past couple of weeks, it may show im completely wrong, im just going on what ive read on the shot by shot on pgatour.com.
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Old May 16th, 2006, 03:53 AM
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For whatever reason he does seem to be a bit off the boil. There again some of the other players like Jimenez & Monty are also having a bit of a dry spell.

Things will turn around for Sergio I'm sure.
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Old May 16th, 2006, 04:06 AM
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For whatever reason he does seem to be a bit off the boil. There again some of the other players like Jimenez & Monty are also having a bit of a dry spell.

Things will turn around for Sergio I'm sure.
Jimenez aint really off the boil though, he finished 4 under par last weekend (could off been better but he only had 1 round over par and that was only a 73) and had a good weekend at the masters barring the back 9 on sunday, i fancy Jimenez to be a big threat at the B.M.W and the Welsh over the next few weekends, When Jimenez does play badly, his short iron play, wedge and putting(short game) always seems to save him, except for the second day at the spanish open where he was really bad, he's the sort of player who when playing badly looks really bad and when he plays well he looks absolutely brilliant.
there's no doubt things will turn round for sergio, but when You expect him to hit most greens and miss a lot of putts, it now seems he's missing the greens and holing the 10+ footers. a bit strange, it could well be the start of something great if everything clicks at the same time.
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Old May 16th, 2006, 04:26 AM
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Jimenez aint really off the boil though, he finished 4 under par last weekend (could off been better but he only had 1 round over par and that was only a 73) and had a good weekend at the masters barring the back 9 on sunday, i fancy Jimenez to be a big threat at the B.M.W and the Welsh over the next few weekends, When Jimenez does play badly, his short iron play, wedge and putting(short game) always seems to save him, except for the second day at the spanish open where he was really bad, he's the sort of player who when playing badly looks really bad and when he plays well he looks absolutely brilliant.
there's no doubt things will turn round for sergio, but when You expect him to hit most greens and miss a lot of putts, it now seems he's missing the greens and holing the 10+ footers. a bit strange, it could well be the start of something great if everything clicks at the same time.
The last few tournaments he's not been getting as far up the leaderboard as I know he's capable of, which in my book is off the boil. Or at least mearly simmering....lol

What I'm saying is Sergio is not the only golfer out there who is suffering a bit in their game in some way & 4 under over 4 days is not that great a result. I really feel sorry for players like Bjorn who I also enjoy watching as much as Jimenez & half a dozen others, but although Bjorn was playing quite well, he was not getting the results he needed on each hole. There was one green where the ball was doing very strange things on the Sunday & a lovely iron shot on the 9th out of the rough that drifted slightly right & ended up wetter than it deserved. It was clear his week had been filled with similar examples. So the golf gods were not smiling on him.

What I did see of Jimenez was also good, on the Saturday at least, but again there was that spark of pure magificence I know he's capable of that wasn't quite gelling .

Casey had a great weekend & yet the same thing as you say of Segio about getting long puts then missing the easy ones occured on the Sunday, meaning he missed out on the win he should have had.

It remains that there are a few guys not only Sergio who havn't got their game at their best or some element is missing, or whatever, not getting results.

Yes By the BMW a lot will have gotten sorted & there will be a spectical to watch
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It's not just Sergio. A lot more players like Harrington, McDowel, D Clark, Westwood need to start reving up their engines because otherwise they run the risk of not making the Ryder cup team and would have to rely on captain's picks.
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Old May 16th, 2006, 04:51 AM
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The last few tournaments he's not been getting as far up the leaderboard as I know he's capable of, which in my book is off the boil. Or at least mearly simmering....lol

What I'm saying is Sergio is not the only golfer out there who is suffering a bit in their game in some way & 4 under over 4 days is not that great a result. I really feel sorry for players like Bjorn who I also enjoy watching as much as Jimenez & half a dozen others, but although Bjorn was playing quite well, he was not getting the results he needed on each hole. There was one green where the ball was doing very strange things on the Sunday & a lovely iron shot on the 9th out of the rough that drifted slightly right & ended up wetter than it deserved. It was clear his week had been filled with similar examples. So the golf gods were not smiling on him.

What I did see of Jimenez was also good, on the Saturday at least, but again there was that spark of pure magificence I know he's capable of that wasn't quite gelling .

Casey had a great weekend & yet the same thing as you say of Segio about getting long puts then missing the easy ones occured on the Sunday, meaning he missed out on the win he should have had.

It remains that there are a few guys not only Sergio who havn't got their game at their best or some element is missing, or whatever, not getting results.

Yes By the BMW a lot will have gotten sorted & there will be a spectical to watch
im not talking about at the moment with sergio though, he's been playing bad all year really, except for the odd tournament and when he has been in contention, hes shot a silly 4th round score.
cause Jimenez aint been getting as far up the leaderboard doesnt mean he's off the boil, there's the odd silly triple or double bogey creeping in here and there making a decent round look bad, he's still up the order of merit, and a good couple of tournaments could put him in the running for the ryder cup squad. 4 under over those four days wasnt too bad, i know it only earnt T22, but look at some of the players who never made the cut, or some that did and played out bad scores over the weekend, hence why im saying his finish could of been better but was a respectable score, you can't expect him to play every season like he did in 2004, the good thing is age shouldnt be a problem with miguel, and can continue to play well for years to come.
id love to see him make the ryder cup squad again, and a good BMW and consistency elsewhere would put him right in the running. can we agree on what i said there, or are you gonna carry on arguing
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Old May 16th, 2006, 04:56 AM
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It's not just Sergio. A lot more players like Harrington, McDowel, D Clark, Westwood need to start reving up their engines because otherwise they run the risk of not making the Ryder cup team and would have to rely on captain's picks.
your misunderstanding what ive said, i pointed out that sergio has been struggling in other parts of his game and getting stronger in the weak part, that was the main part of my thread, as it was a bit strange that for once his putts was saving a few strokes instead of throwing em away.
he's had a lot of trouble with his putting for 2-3 years now, and over the last few weeks seems to have improved ( although not conclusive evidence that his putting has improved, as its too short a time to tell ), and the strong part of his game has been struggling. there's no doubt sergio will make the ryder cup squad this year in my mind.

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Old May 16th, 2006, 06:55 AM
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im not talking about at the moment with sergio though, he's been playing bad all year really.
I was talking all season so far too. Hey ho...lol

As for Jimenez I love watching the guy no matter how far up or down the leader board he is.

Same as I can watch Thomas Bjorn all day too. Funnily enough Him & his playing partner on the Sunday, provided some of the most classic golf play over the weekend for me. OK they were not setting the leader board on fire & it did tell at times as Thomas Bjorn was really not as happy & laid back as he normally is.

But everyone foes through phases getting back to Sergio momentarily. Everyone will have one part of their golf game that will compensate for another part of their game that is going through some sort of mental brainfade. It might look odd that someone can pull off long putts & then mucks up the simple ones, or drives badly & then had great recovery, or the reverse, where they get a good drive & then it all goes titsup on the next shot.

Edfors who won the contest approached the 17th on the Sunday & was on the edge of a bunker where he nearly didn't make it onto the green. That could well have ruined a flyer of a round, had that ball fallen back down into the bunker. The golf gods were smiling that day for him.

I don't find it strange that Sergio is doing some things well & others badly, what I find strange is that he is have such a bad season as he is. Something tells me it could well be some sort of mental block through a row of bad experiences meaning his dry stage has gone on longer than it should.

& as I said before, the same can be said for a dozen or so other players, quite frankly its no big deal. All we can do is provide these guys with the moral support they need & deserve & wish them all the best to get fully back on form for the results they truly deserve.
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I think Sergio is where where Phil Mickelson was a few years ago, he's got the tools, shots, etc., but always does himself in for some reason. He does need and will get a few breaks, but overall if he wants to get into the Woods/Mickelson/Els circle, he's going to have to recommit himself to improving his game and whatever flaws exist.
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Sergio is a great ballstriker but I fear that his putting issues will likely never be truly solved. Personally, I don't ever see him attaining the #1 ranking, but he'll probably hang out in the top 10 for the next decade or so. At some point, you've got to figure the putter will come around for a week or two in a major and he'll win a couple, but I don't see him winning 5-7 like he seemed primed to do when he burst onto the scene.
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Sergio is a great ballstriker but I fear that his putting issues will likely never be truly solved. Personally, I don't ever see him attaining the #1 ranking, but he'll probably hang out in the top 10 for the next decade or so. At some point, you've got to figure the putter will come around for a week or two in a major and he'll win a couple, but I don't see him winning 5-7 like he seemed primed to do when he burst onto the scene.

Well if Mickleson can suddenly get it all to work, then so can Sergio.
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Well if Mickleson can suddenly get it all to work, then so can Sergio.
True enough.
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No doubt, Sergio's a bit overrated. He's a good golfer, but he's not the great golfer people think he is. His putting is erratic, his driver tends to be erratic. He's got great ball striking, but that's only one fraction of the game. Mentally, I don't know if he is good enough right now. When you continously collapse in the final round big tourney after big tourney, you start to wonder if he has the mental game to ever win a major. My bet is he will win a major, but not til after he's 30.
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Sergio is a great ballstriker but I fear that his putting issues will likely never be truly solved. Personally, I don't ever see him attaining the #1 ranking, but he'll probably hang out in the top 10 for the next decade or so. At some point, you've got to figure the putter will come around for a week or two in a major and he'll win a couple, but I don't see him winning 5-7 like he seemed primed to do when he burst onto the scene.
that's what im trying to say, is he concentrating too much on his putting ( maybe too much that that is what's mucking him up??? ), if he gave it less thought and took one look and hit maybe he'd hole a few more all year round instead of the odd special shot or round.
i still truely believe that within a year or two, sergio will be a strong force in most of his entered tournaments. aslong as he's being pointed in the right direction, then there should be no problem, as we all know how he can play.
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No doubt, Sergio's a bit overrated. He's a good golfer, but he's not the great golfer people think he is. His putting is erratic, his driver tends to be erratic. He's got great ball striking, but that's only one fraction of the game. Mentally, I don't know if he is good enough right now. When you continously collapse in the final round big tourney after big tourney, you start to wonder if he has the mental game to ever win a major. My bet is he will win a major, but not til after he's 30.
your thoughts are exactly the same as mine, it might take something special ( probably needs a good final round somewhere when he's in contention ), anything to do with the golf game can improve but a bad mental approach can and probably will take years to overcome. that's why i rate furyk so highly after coming of a near miss against baddeley and then just last week goes on to beat immelman in a play off and is always in the mix 99% of the time.
if everyone was as mentally strong as furyk and could hole out with such pressure, thats when you know your onto something special.
to be honest i could of posted this same thing many times, within the last few years and it would still of standed true, the reason i point out sergio, is his inconsistency for years, its obviously in his head as most of his bad round's come on a sunday when his in contention

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